Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!tektronix!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad!ames!hao!boulder!sunybcs!rutgers!im4u!ut-sally!ut-ngp!auscso!mentat From: mentat@auscso.UUCP (Robert Dorsett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: CADD/CAM (Re: Riddle) Message-ID: <594@auscso.UUCP> Date: Fri, 30-Oct-87 23:26:21 EST Article-I.D.: auscso.594 Posted: Fri Oct 30 23:26:21 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Nov-87 06:03:10 EST References: <5094@utah-cs.UUCP> Reply-To: mentat@auscso.UUCP (Robert Dorsett) Organization: Austin UNIX Users' Group, Austin, TX Lines: 49 There's nothing new about this. Over the spring, I was in a position of consulting a medium-sized architectural firm. They wanted to fire a bunch of draftsmen, which is not a laudible action, in my opinion, and not the sort I'd normally get involved with. At any rate, they already had a candidate (IBM, running some kind of CADD program) when I entered the picture. I perused the Sun Catalyst catalog and scoured the Mac market to provide them with an alternative. The Suns were way out of the price range they were willing to consider, but had a wealth of software available or available for porting. The Mac had something like THREE programs with the words "CAD" or "Draft" in the titles, and were PATHETIC. Either extremely poor interface design or limited features. The interface problems were like the programmer had spent a few years on AutoCAD and wanted to implement the software on a Mac, while retaining MacPaint/Draw-style features. Garbage was the result. When I heard WHY the company finally chose the IBM and the software, I was aghast. The deciding factor was--(drum roll) two disks full of architectural symbols. Like, symbols of chairs, etc. Unbelievable. The market is WIDE OPEN when that type of garbage is the best the IBM world can offer. I can see an ENORMOUS market out there for good CAD/CAM software. In fact, if any publishers were game enough, such software would probably be ENORMOUS sellers in the general software market (i.e., under $1000). I know a lot of people in the sciences, not to mention engineering types, who would love some- thing that allowed them to create precise drawings. However, I think the problem is one of incentive: it is NOT Apple's respon- sibility to publish CADD software. Apple has so far bent over backwards to provide enormous technical support to professional (and not-so-professional) developers who wish to program the Mac. The problem lies with the individual software companies. Apple COULD improve the situation by providing more competitive mass-computer discounts. IBM clones are blowing away the Mac where small businesses need to computerize, dirt-cheap. I have advised several people lately on network- ing, but the cheapest Mac configurations I can find cost almost double what the equivalent IBM-clone configurations would. Perhaps such a mechanism already exists, but at the retail level, the "discounts" from dealers for business customers are barely satisfactory to cover the sales tax. Of course, I have no idea what the overhead for dealers is, but I'm willing to bet APPLE's overhead is far, far less. -- Robert Dorsett {allegra,ihnp4}!ut-sally!ut-ngp!walt!mentat University of Texas at Austin {allegra, ihnp4}!ut-sally!ut-ngp!auscso!mentat