Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!epiwrl!epimass!jbuck From: jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal Subject: Re: Responsibility for postings. Message-ID: <1592@epimass.EPI.COM> Date: Thu, 22-Oct-87 13:39:20 EST Article-I.D.: epimass.1592 Posted: Thu Oct 22 13:39:20 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Oct-87 01:11:19 EST References: <4611@videovax.Tek.COM> <2294@umn-cs.UUCP> <1606@dasys1.UUCP> <8499@sri-unix.ARPA> <2140@kitty.UUCP> Reply-To: jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) Organization: Entropic Processing, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 49 Xref: mnetor news.admin:1222 misc.legal:3239 [ I refer to MES as "he" because that is his preference ] In article <2140@kitty.UUCP> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes: [ nothing in the article is really worth quoting -- read it if you like ] Larry accuses Mark of "vile ravings" unsuitable for the net. Larry, the purpose of soc.women is to discuss problems women face. Among the problems are poverty, rape, violence, and harrassment. Mark has experienced them all first-hand and talks about them, in strong language, in the appropriate forum. You complain about certain specific passages in Mark's postings. For example, 99% of scientists have been male for most of the time there have been scientists. Mark addresses this question in a blunt way (your quote): >$$> For thousands of years, it was necessary to have a penis in order >$$> to do science. Do you believe it is necessary to have a penis to >$$> do science? Do you think people who believed that were really >$$> scientists? I don't understand your objection. Do you object to the use of the word "penis"? Seems appropriate in this context. Some of your other objections are to Mark's descriptions of his own life. Yes, Mark has been raped (and was made pregnant by the rape), was homeless, was threatened with violence many times in life, and has had so many horrible experience that a weaker person would find it difficult to go on living. It has obviously never entered your head that things this bad happen to real people. Enough of Mark's story has been verified by either me personally or by people I trust for me to know it's true. I have no interest in giving you additional info on MES, since you'll only use it for purpose of harrassment. Mark has been booted off three different systems (well, m-net, and chinet), and is now being subjected to a campaign by you to get the net to throw him off again. Mark is an imporant voice in soc.women that needs to be heard, and I admire his courage and commitment to being heard. Kindly cease and desist your campaign of harrassment. I'm sorry Mark called you some bad names, but you have not been damaged by them. I often disagree, sometimes strongly, with MES. But I'll be damned if I sit back and allow you to run dissenting views off the net! -- - Joe Buck {uunet,ucbvax,sun,decwrl,}!epimass.epi.com!jbuck Old internet mailers: jbuck%epimass.epi.com@uunet.uu.net