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From: ambar@athena.mit.edu (Jean Marie Diaz)
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Subject: Re: Responsibility for postings
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Date: Fri, 23-Oct-87 13:39:25 EST
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In article <843@qiclab.UUCP> leonard@qiclab.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>From what has appeared in the _those_ groups, this war started due to Mark
>accusing the sys admin at violet.berkeley.edu of _deliberately_ interfering
>with Mark's ability to read and post from an account there. No "it looks
>like" or "possibly". 

1) Your recounting of events is partially incorrect.  2) That's not
where this war started.  This bit of silliness started because Larry
believes that Mark slandered him. (And I'm not touching that with a
10-foot pole.)

>From Mark's own postings it appears that Mark just _assumed_ that the problem
>was a deliberate attack.  I do not recall if Mark had attempted to contact
>the sysadmin before posting the flame. I _do_ recall that Mark claimed that
>the sysadmin was someone other than the real sysadmin (as I recall, the 
>person Mark accused turned out to be the sysadmin of berkely.edu, which is
>a different system)

Mark (and others who read news off of violet.berkeley.edu) have tried
many times to have the news system on that machine fixed.  The problem
is that it is "unsupported", ie, it will be fixed when someone gets the
proverbial "roundtoit".  Mark made a public accusation, and later made a
public apology, something I have not yet seen from any of the people who
are trying to get him thrown off the net with every bit of means and
influence they can muster.

>[...] the wording and
>tone [of Mark's comments] do _not_ belong in any of the news.* groups!

Mark has not, to my knowlege, ever originated a discussion in any of the
news.* groups.  If you wish to complain about the invasion of your tidy
little technical groups, complain about the people who feel it necessary
to try to get Mark's accounts pulled by complaining (in public, yet,
instead of by email) to system administrators in news.admin.

I often disagree with Mark, but I see no reason to let you feel
complacent with your half-truths.

				AMBAR
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