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From: minerva@bucket.UUCP (Minerva)
Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Responsibility for postings.
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Date: Fri, 23-Oct-87 11:48:54 EST
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In article <2140@kitty.UUCP> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes:

[ bunch of Larry's stuff deleted ]

[then a bunch of stuff out of context by Mark to give a one-sided view ]

First of all, I do NOT worship Mark, I just prefer his postings in soc.women
to yours.

Second of all, I was objecting to Werner's misdirected attempt of supporting
you in all of your causes - like selectively having people thrown off the net.

>	I apologize for having to subject the readers of these newgroups
>to the vile ravings contained in these quotations.  

And what about the vile stuff YOU have posted to soc.women. Aren't you just as
guilty with the attacks you made on Eileen McGowan? Or are there one set
of rules for Mark Smith and another for you?

And what about accusing Mark of fraud and deception?? From your first posting
on this subject in news.admin:

======================= beginning of article excerpt ===========================
From: larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Mark Ethan Smith: For real?
Summary: "Smith" should be identified and its computer accounts revoked
Date: 30 Sep 87 01:27:57 GMT

	No Usenet site should have anonymous users.  Usenet is not (or
SHOULD not) be conducted as a juvenile BBS.  Usenet feeds are propagated
in part by institutions using public funds.  Public funds should not be
used to propagate the whimsical, irresponsible ravings of a person who
						          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
uses fraud and deception in concealing their identity.  If "Smith" wishes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to engage in such anonymous activity,  let him/her/it confine postings
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to privately owned BBS's - not Usenet.

[ rest of the article deleted ]

<>  Larry Lippman @ Recognition Research Corp., Clarence, New York
================================================================================

So, now that you KNOW that Mark Smith really exists and that that the legal
name of that person, how about a more appropriate apology?

Adding this to your most recent disregard of a person's privacy by posting
the home address of Mark, you just keep providing proof that you're one of 
the biggest hypocrites of the net.

>But, perhaps NOW you
>will understand the issue: do the above articles represent a reasonable
>use of the Net, is it ABuse of the Net?

Then your use also represents abuse. Oh, what? No? Oh, that's right, you're
*Larry Lippman*, respected member and contributor to the Net. BLECH.

>	For any system administrators of sites which continue to allow
>"Smith" to post, are you PROUD to have this person speak in behalf of
>your organization?  Are you SO PROUD that you will even endure the
>continual accusa

Well, the rest of the article didn't reach this site - it's just as well.
However, let me address the following:

1. Pride has nothing to do with it. And despite your best arguments, 
   a site's responsiblity for it's posters is not as clear cut as you have
   tried to make it.

2. Mark Smith has never spoken on behalf of these various sites. He has
   stated again and again that he speaks only for himself, not for the site 
   he posts from.

Well. I feel much better having said that. Go ahead and flame me, I don't care.
Actually, I'll be quite surprised if he acknowledges this at all.

Minerva
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