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From: jmm@thoth16.berkeley.edu.BERKELEY.EDU
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Subject: Re: An interesting message from SECURITY-DIGEST@RUTGERS
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Date: Tue, 13-Oct-87 14:56:31 EDT
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In article <471@auscso.UUCP> johnm@auscso.UUCP (John B. Meaders, Jr.) writes:
>However, I don't think a private party should
>feel it necessary to have something unbreakable so the NSA couldn't monitor.
>If they are so against it, they must be doing something illegal.  There is
>a price to pay for freedom, and that means Uncle Sam must monitor overseas
>traffic and some domestic traffic to make sure involved parties aren't
>doing things that jeopardize our security....
>-- 
>John B. Meaders, Jr.  1114 Camino La Costa #3083, Austin, TX  78752
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>                                  \johnm


Why must I be doing something illegal if I don't wan't the government to read about
it?  On a purely practical basis, I do not consider the 
security record of several government agencies (including the NSA) to be
of a high enough standard for me to be sure my information was not
going to reach unwanted persons.  If secrets can be sold to the
East Bloc, they can certainly be sold to commercial interests
(and probably with more profit, considering therates that Pollard etc. have received.)

Even more important is that I have the right to say whatever
I want to to whomever I wish without any hint of government interference.
The government doesn't have the right to open my mail inside
the US without a search warrant, and as far as I'm concerned
they don't have the right to open it outside of the United States.
(This includes having foreign intelligence agencies read it for them.)
If the government wishes to read my mail, they must first convince
a judge to issue a search warrant.  If a warrant is issued, and then
messages are decrypted, and the information contained in those messages
violates the law of the United States, then the government
should bring criminal charges in a court of law.   Any othter
course of action (such as reading all encrypted material on the
basis that it _might_ be illegal) is unconstitutional.


James Moore
...!ucbvax!leggatt!jmm

"Ocus ba hairi no fertha leu acht cluchi
ocus cheti ocus anius ocus aibinnius
ocus longad ocus tomailt, conid de sin
atat na trenae samna sechnon na hErend."
     -as an sceal _Seirgligi Con Culaind inso sis ocus oenet Emire_ 
James Moore
..!ucbvax!jmm

"Ocus ba hairi no fertha leu acht cluchi
ocus cheti ocus anius ocus aibinnius
ocus longad ocus tomailt, conid de sin
atat na trenae samna sechnon na hErend."
     -as an sceal _Seirgligi Con Culaind inso sis ocus oenet Emire_