Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!mit-eddie!ll-xn!ames!amdahl!nsc!voder!apple!baum From: baum@apple.UUCP (Allen J. Baum) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: Design for a DES-breaker Message-ID: <6491@apple.UUCP> Date: Fri, 16-Oct-87 17:48:46 EDT Article-I.D.: apple.6491 Posted: Fri Oct 16 17:48:46 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 18-Oct-87 02:33:49 EDT References: <7449@reed.UUCP-> <1409@osiris.UUCP> <289@apr.UUCP> <17195@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> <1477@faline.bellcore.com> Reply-To: baum@apple.UUCP (Allen Baum) Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 15 -------- [] >I do not know how much chip real estate a DES engine takes, but John's >figures seem a tad optimistic when compared to existing technology. > >Pipelining the DES engine would clearly increase its area at least 16 >times, since not only do you need 16 copies of the S and P boxes but >also 16 key registers... I'm not sure that this is true. What happens at each stage is a permutation and an xor. If each stage doesn't have to share the permutation logic, then its simply wires, not lots of wires + a 16 way mux -- {decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!apple!baum (408)973-3385