Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!sundc!sun!decwrl!hplabs!well!rab From: rab@well.UUCP (Bob Bickford) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: An interesting message from SECURITY-DIGEST@RUTGERS Message-ID: <4247@well.UUCP> Date: Mon, 19-Oct-87 05:03:19 EDT Article-I.D.: well.4247 Posted: Mon Oct 19 05:03:19 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 20-Oct-87 02:38:05 EDT References: <7449@reed.UUCP> <8746@utzoo.UUCP> <471@auscso.UUCP> Reply-To: rab@well.UUCP (Bob Bickford) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 30 Keywords: NSA, DES, STU-III In article <471@auscso.UUCP> johnm@auscso.UUCP (John B. Meaders, Jr.) writes: [speaking of private companies' opposition to gov't listening in on their overseas traffic] >If they are so against it, they must be doing something illegal. This is *exactly* the sort of uninformed attitude that will be the death of the human race if we don't put an end to it. "Guilty until proven innocent" is a policy that only the Gestapo (and the IRS) could love. > There is >a price to pay for freedom, The price you name is essentially to GIVE UP our freedom in the event some bureaucrat thinks we might be doing something wrong. You approvingly mention domestic snooping. You justify it "to prevent someone from doing harm". (paraphrased) This sort of reasoning leads to totalitarian states; since the only way those in charge can *know* that nothing 'wrong' is being done is to be in total control. Or at least to completely eliminate any semblance of privacy, which eventually amounts to the same thing. If you think that giving up your freedom when told to by gov't is the recipe for keeping it, you're due for a rude awakening someday. I hope you survive the experience. Many Germans didn't survive THEIR brush with Authority. -- Robert Bickford {hplabs, ucbvax, lll-lcc, ptsfa}!well!rab /-------------------------------------v-------------------------------------\ | Don't Blame Me: I Voted Libertarian | Ron Paul: Libertarian for President | \-------------------------------------^-------------------------------------/