Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!gatech!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary From: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.research Subject: Re: Universe As Hologram Message-ID: <4023@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Oct-87 11:15:05 EDT Article-I.D.: ecsvax.4023 Posted: Wed Oct 14 11:15:05 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Oct-87 00:57:59 EDT References: <7402@ism780c.UUCP> <295@etn-rad.UUCP> Reply-To: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) Organization: Datalytics, Inc. Lines: 49 Keywords: quantum mechanics, hidden-variable theories, EPR, Aspect Summary: Aspect no amateur; hidden-variable theories doubted Xref: mnetor sci.space:3433 sci.research:270 In article <295@etn-rad.UUCP> jru@etn-rad.UUCP (John Unekis) writes: >This is a common misunderstanding of quantum mechanics. There are are >number of experiments which create a pair of particles with complementary >properties. Lets say that particle X decays and produces 2 Y particles, >one of which is red, and the other blue. We can't tell which is which >without looking at them, and they are so small that looking at them >will destroy them. We must assume that each has an equal probability of >being red or blue until such time as they react with something else. The "common misunderstanding" you describe is indeed common; in fact, is is the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics and is the standard view taught in physics classes and accepted (tentatively, of course) by most physicists. You seem to prefer what is known as a "hidden variable" theory; that is, the particles in question had a value that was unknown prior to measurement, but nevertheless was fixed. If you make this assumption (as Einstein et al did) it turns out you can make some testable statements about the statistical distribution of the measurements (a result due to Bell and, qualitatively, von Neumann). The Aspect experiment was intended to test just that. Aspect's results support the Copenhagen view (and numerous others that make equivalent predictions, such as Everett's Many-Worlds) and call most hidden-variable theories into question. It is possible to have a hidden-variable theory that survives the Aspect results, but such a theory must adopt other weird features that most people are reluctant to accept. >. . . I suspect that the reason that >we have never heard of Dr. Aspect is that he is a RANK AMATEUR who >is (hopelessly by accident) deceiving the public into thinking that his >repetition of years-old quantum expirements has allowed him to discover >some new principle. There is, of course, no shame in being an amateur. The gravitational constant was first accurately measured by Cavendish, who was I believe an amateur. As everyone knows, Einstein was working in the patent office at the time of his most famous publications, so he was not a professional theoretician himself. A list of astronomical discoveries by amateurs would fill megabytes. In any case, to my knowledge Alain Aspect is a professional physicist working in France. Curiously, he might not be "Dr" Aspect, though. I read recently (in Science?) that French universities do not award PhDs. Can anyone confirm this? -- D Gary Grady (919) 286-4296 USENET: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary BITNET: dgary@ecsvax.bitnet