Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!hao!ames!amdcad!cae780!tektronix!reed!percival!qiclab!leonard From: leonard@qiclab.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf-lovers Subject: Re: Future Police Speculations Needed Message-ID: <864@qiclab.UUCP> Date: Sun, 22-Nov-87 19:54:55 EST Article-I.D.: qiclab.864 Posted: Sun Nov 22 19:54:55 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 26-Nov-87 21:56:32 EST References: <1463@haddock.ISC.COM> <1824@trex.rutgers.edu> <23473AE4@PSUVMA> <21598@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <3173@ihlpl.ATT.COM> Reply-To: leonard@qiclab.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) Distribution: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf-lovers Organization: Qic Laboratories, Portland, Oregon. Lines: 37 Xref: mnetor alt.cyberpunk:195 rec.arts.sf-lovers:9339 The first mention of a taser-like weapon that I ever saw was in _Gallagher's Glacier_ by Walt & Leigh Richmond. The inhabitants of a "company planet" mining colony stage a revolt. They have built the weapons under the eyes of the company without raising suspicion. Double-barrel motorized squirtguns as toys for the kids. Add a simple circuit and fill it with salt water and you have a short-range taser that uses twin streams of water instead of wires. (all you need it for is long enough to zap one guard [company cop] and take his gun...) As for the anaesthetics etc, I recall reading of several workable alternatives developed during the 60's. The weren't fast acting, but their effects were such that they would "sneak up" on you. First was an agent that would lower your blood pressure. You feel a bit light headed so you'd sit down, a bit later you start feeliing light headed again. This increases until you either lie down or pass out. In most cases it would level off at around this level. You can lie there, but if you try to get up (or get excited) you'll pass out. Real hard to fight in that condition. Second was a muscle relaxant. It was also slow acting. It worked its way up spinal cord. First the feet, then the ankles, and so on up the body. Since it only affected voluntary muscles, there is no danger of suffocation or the like (unless they wind up in some odd position when they fall down). Then, of course, we have the things that were developed for riot control. "liquid banana peel" and the isolation foam. The foam is a non-toxic, opaque foam. It deadens sound nicely. Visibility is around 2 inches. No good for stopping hostage situations, but they *would* be used for crowd control in a typical cyberpunk world. After all, they don't cause property damage the way tear gas and water cannons do.... -- Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard CIS: [70465,203] ...!tektronix!reed!qiclab!leonard "I used to be a hacker. Now I'm a 'microcomputer specialist'. You know... I'd rather be a hacker."