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From: cok@psuvm.bitnet.UUCP
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.flame
Subject: Re: No more legalization talk on alt.drugs
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Date: Tue, 3-Nov-87 19:09:09 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov  3 19:09:09 1987
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 johnm@auscso.UUCP (John B. Meaders, Jr.) writes:
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>Oh boy...  Are you really going to flame me?  I can't wait to here what
>kind of nonsense you have to say.  I am against drug use, you aren't.
>We each have the right to our own opinions.  I wasn't aware this was going
>to be a pro-user only column.  Whats the  matter?  Do Eric and I scare you
>because we are against your views?  Last I heard I had the freedom to voice
>my opinions.  I don't begrudge your views, but I don't like your attempt
>to censor me.  And you wonder why I am against your type.
>--
>John B. Meaders, Jr.  1114 Camino La Costa #3083, Austin, TX  78752
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>                          \johnm
     
Well, I think I'll start by roasting this article, its hypocrisy, and the
twisted logic inherent in it.  I could flame other postings, but as it happens,
most of them have been roasted over the coals already.
     
I love the way you state that you do not begrudge me my opinions, then in the
next sentence say you are against my "type," whatever that means.
     
You then go on to say that I deny your rights to express your opinions.
I defy you to produce anything in my posting where I say such a thing.
At least get your lies consistent.
     
I find it amusing how quickly you anti-civil rights types will piss and moan
about "censorship" when anyone dares to raise a voice against your opinions
babbled forth as manifest fact.  You have the ability to post to alt.drugs with
legality issues and whether or not drugs ought to be legalized, even though the
group is supposedly for discussion of drugs themselves.  I grant that.
However, by the same token, I have the ability to post queries about my lost
cat in comp.unix.wizards.  That does not make this an inalienable right any
more than drug laws remove an inalienable right.  Censorship is not an issue
when a person posts articles unrelated to a newsgroup in that newsgroup.  The
issue is whether the USENET community-at-large considers this a polite thing
to do.
     
I personally DO respect your right to post unrelated articles to newsgroups,
and would consider it censorship actually to cancel forcibly your articles.
However, suggesting to everyone that your articles be ignored in the hopes
that you will go away eventually is NOT censorship at all; it's just a form
of behavior.  If, on the other hand, I came to your house, declared myself to
have the right to decide what you should be allowed to post,
and threatened to blow your head off or imprison you if you continued posting,
this WOULD be a violation of your rights.
     
However, you advocate that drug cops should be allowed to do this exact sort
of thing.
     
Read my article on mescaline, and its followups, then look at the "logic"
demonstrated in your own postings.  If you are honest, you will admit that
there are serious flaws present.  If not, you still have the right to
continue posting such psychobabble.
     
And I have the right to criticize you for it.
     
     
By the way, you state that you didn't know that alt.drugs was to be a
pro-user only newsgroup.  However, your posting did not GO to alt.drugs,
because I specified that in my "Followup-to" line.  You'll have to repost
if you really want it there, but I suggest you think seriously about that
before doing it.
     
On another subject:  I think that drug cops ARE not to be respected insofar
as they violate human rights of persons guilty only of possessing drugs, but
I can respect any person willing to risk his or her life in the war against
organized crime.  Lest one think that this is a position contrary to my
pro-legalization stance, I will add that the very very few people I do know
who deal drugs either grow their own products, or purchase from those who
do.
     
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