Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!labrea!husc6!mit-eddie!necntc!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!oleg From: oleg@quad1.quad.com (Oleg Kiselev) Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.flame Subject: Re: Why call 'em dirtballs Message-ID: <1283@quad1.quad.com> Date: Tue, 3-Nov-87 13:12:20 EST Article-I.D.: quad1.1283 Posted: Tue Nov 3 13:12:20 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 7-Nov-87 09:10:03 EST References: <1136@puff.wisc.edu> <23455COK@PSUVMA> <591@auscso.UUCP> <1184@puff.wisc.edu> <7603@reed.UUCP> <602@auscso.UUCP> Reply-To: oleg@quad1.quad.com (Oleg Kiselev) Distribution: na Organization: HASA Lines: 81 Xref: mnetor misc.legal:3623 alt.flame:441 In article <602@auscso.UUCP> johnm@auscso.UUCP (John B. Meaders, Jr.) writes: >While on active duty in the Army I had occasion to witness what >drugs did to the performance of friends and other individuals... >...Drugs weren't the sole cause of this by any means, but they >were a substanial reason. STOP right here! Now, Mr. Meaders, pop-psychologist extraordinare, WHY would you all of a sudden abandon this flash of reason and comprehension in the otherwise drearily uninspired parroting of the Reagan anti-drug misinformation? Why can't you make a leap of understanding, exercise the intellect that intellect that supposedly makes you a member of human race, and make a connection between drug ABUSE (as opposed to USE) and those OTHER causes? Do you REALLY think that if the drugs were not available those friends of yours would have been happy and exemplary recruits? Why blame SYMPTOMS? >What was the most prevalent drug used? Pot. >Yep, that drug most of you think is so harmless, was a cause of this. As >was Alcohol (more so admittedly than Pot), LSD, Coke, etc. Pot has its uses. One of them is to relax and get rid of tension. Low doses of alcohol do the same thing. Prolonged stress inducing circumstatnces tend to make pot and alcohol less potent, causing the user to increase consumption and possibly turning into abuse. So, what's the solution, Mr. Meaders? Get rid of the drugs and let people take the full impact of the pressure that is warping them, letting them develope ulcers in their early twenties and cardio-vascular problems a few years later? Letting them be driven to suicide, nervous break-downs, abuse of "legal" drugs? Or remove them from these stressfull situations and eliminate the NEED to use excessive amounts of drugs? >Did you ever try running, the brain is very effective at releasing internal >chemicals that will make you high. So you are advocating drug addiction, but only if that addiction is legally generated? So it's not "getting high" that you oppose? >For those who don't know, a shooting gallery is a place where degenerates >go to shoot Methamphetamines into their veins (also known as Crank). >... >There was little spatters of blood all over the place. What kind of sickos >would do this? You got it, illegal drug users! Hey, ever considered that if the drugs were legal THAT would not have happened? If people could safely and cleanly inject themselves with their dope, they would not have needed to break into people's houses... >What about casual use? Like I said Alcohol is legal. >Since the others aren't, I certainly don't condone their use. I also don't >condone legalization, since this is a cop out to the problem. These are >immature people who can't deal with life, so they hide out by using chemicals. Well, Mr. Mature Person, what do YOU know about handling stress? If by some incredible luck you are one of the few people in this country who is NOT suffering from stress and stress-related disorders (which range from chronic muscular tension and headaches to nervous disorders to metabolism problems to cardio-pulminary problems to cancer) then how can you tell US, the majority, how to handle our problems? If, on the other hand, you just can't comprehend how someone can get into the state where one would welcome the intoxication at any price, in any form, then you lack the understanding of the human nature that would entitle you to make judgements on people's "maturity". >What do you suggest? Legalization? Ok, who is going to support the users? >We are! How? Either as victims of crime or through our tax dollars. ... >And I'll be damned if I am going to support a bunch of junkies through my >tax dollars. Are you so naive that you think that you are not supporting these people NOW?! If the drugs were legalized we could recover some of the money we are spending NOW on victims of drug abuse and drug-related crime by tapping into the billions of dollars the underground drug economy funnels now into drug bosses' pockets. Plus all the money spent on fighting the losing fight with drugs now could be used for better causes. -- Oleg Kiselev -- oleg@quad1.quad.com -- {...!psivax|seismo!gould}!quad1!oleg HASA, "A" Division DISCLAIMER: I don't speak for my employers.