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Subject: Re: Let's move the discussion!
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Date: Tue, 10-Nov-87 04:19:37 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov 10 04:19:37 1987
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In article <2005@killer.UUCP> alleng@killer.UUCP (Allen Gwinn) writes:
>Perhaps a better 
>place for this would be misc.legal (even alt.flame!).  Maybe the people
>using this newsgroup for its intended purpose will cease responding (or
>move with the discussion).  Eric, if you feel so strongly, rather than just
>pissing people off (for no purpose), perhaps a better use of your time
>would be to gather names and net addresses and pass the information along to 
>the DEA or FBI (who would probably be glad recipients of the information).
>Meanwhile, lets do these guys a favor and get out of their hair.  Their
>lives seem complicated enough, and its one less thing they will have to
>deal with!
>

Before I get serious, let me say that with an attitude like
yours, I think you'd be more comfortable in a police state
like Chile.  Why don't you move there and make life easier
for the rest of us?

To business:  Your suggestion is highly illegal and if you
or Mr. Mading or anyone else with access to this newsgroup
attempts to follow up and report my name to the DEA or FBI,
I will sue you until you are bleeding from the ears.
Postings to a public newsgroup cannot be held as legal
evidence since, even though they come from an account
associated with someone's name, it cannot be definitely
determined that the person to whom that account belongs
actually posted the message.  Therefore, USENET postings are
inadmissable heresay and any transferral of USENET material
to a government agency for the purpose of instigating an
investigation constitutes an attempt to slander and harass
the individual to whom the account belongs from which the
posting was made.  Lest you think this an empty threat, be
aware that though I am posting from a college account I am
not a peniless college student but a professional with
plenty of money and access to legal resources.  I also have
reason to check my status with various government agencies
periodically (an amazing amount of information is available
through the Freedom of Information Act, including tips made
on cases after they have been found to be groundless) so I
will find out.

Besides which, if you were to report my name to the DEA
or FBI, I would track you down and pound your ass into the
ground.

USENET postings are an expression of the First Amendment
right to free speech.  It is a section of the Constitution
with which, I imagine, you are not too familiar.

Moral:  Don't post threats on USENET.  That's not what it's
for.

>        Allen Gwinn    / email: {ihnp4!decvax!killer}!sulaco!allen
>                       \ USPS: P.O. Box 740444, Dallas, TX  75374-0444

I'm saving the above just in case.  I find it significant that you live
in Texas.
-- 


					Bill Baker
					tektronix!reed!wab