Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!utcsri!utegc!utai!murrayw From: murrayw@utai.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Degenerate Lang Learning Experiment Message-ID: <4155@utai.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Nov-87 08:41:17 EST Article-I.D.: utai.4155 Posted: Fri Nov 20 08:41:17 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Nov-87 18:16:00 EST References: <2273@k.cc.purdue.edu> <2776@bcsaic.UUCP> <725@russell.STANFORD.EDU> Reply-To: murrayw@ai.UUCP (Murray Watt) Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 20 Keywords: language acquisition Summary: In article <725@russell.STANFORD.EDU> poser@russell.UUCP (Bill Poser) writes: >In the Egyptian experiment reported by Herodotus, the word reportedly >uttered by the children raised without linguistic input was "bekos", >which the Egyptians determined to be the Phrygian word for "bread". >It is in fact true that this was the Phrygian word for "bread". Well.... James IV attempted the same experiment and the children "spak very guid Ebrew". In the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II's experiment the children died. The three experiments are mentioned in "An Introduction to Language" by Victoria Fromkin and Robert Rodman. 1) These experiments show that if people don't learn a language they may emit random sounds. If you listen long enough you hear one of Shakespeare's plays. 2) They show how not to carry out a cognitive science experiment. Maybe Frederick's children died because they didn't know how to say "bread" in either Phrygian or Ebrew.