Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!hao!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!SPEEDY.WISC.EDU!honavar From: honavar@SPEEDY.WISC.EDU (A Buggy AI Program) Newsgroups: comp.ai.digest Subject: Re: Success of AI Message-ID: <4622@spool.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 9-Nov-87 11:57:20 EST Article-I.D.: spool.4622 Posted: Mon Nov 9 11:57:20 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 15-Nov-87 07:27:18 EST References: <8710280748.AA21340@jade.berkeley.edu> <4357@wisdom.BITNET> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: honavar@speedy.wisc.edu (A Buggy AI Program) Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 41 Approved: ailist@kl.sri.com In article <4357@wisdom.BITNET> eitan%H@wiscvm.arpa (Eitan Shterenbaum) writes: > >As to the claim "the brain does it so why shouldn't the computer" - >It seem to me that you forget that the brain is built slightly differently >than a Von-Neuman machine ... It's a distributed enviorment lacking boolean >algebra. I can hardly believe that even with all the partial solutions for >all the complicated sets of NP problems that emulating a brain brings up, one >might be able to present a working program. If you'd able to emulate mouse's >brain you'd become a legend in your lifetime ! >Anyway, no one can emulate a system which has no specifications. >if the neuro-biologists would present them then you'd have something to start >with. I use the term "computer" in a sense somewhat broader than a Von-Neuman machine. We can, in principle, build machines that incorporate distributed representations, processing and control. It is not clear what you mean by a "distributed environment lacking boolean algebra." The use of fine-grained distributed representations naturally results in behavior indicative of processes using fuzzy or probabilistic logic. The goal is, not necessarily to emulate the brain in all its detail: We can study birds to understand the principles of aerodynamics that explain the phenomenon of flying and then go on to build an aeroplane that is very different from a bird but still obeys the same laws of physics. As for specifications, they can be provided in different forms and at different levels of detail; Part of the exercise is to discover such specifications - either by studying actual existing systems or by analyzing the functions needed at an abstract level to determine the basic building blocks and how they are to be put together. > >And last - Computers aren't meta-capable machines they have constraints, > not every problem has an answer and not every answermakes sense, > NP problems are the best example. > Are you implying that humans are "meta-capable" - whatever that means? VGH