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From: retrac@titan.rice.edu (John Carter)
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Subject: Re: Computer Science: where it belongs
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Date: Mon, 16-Nov-87 20:09:49 EST
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Posted: Mon Nov 16 20:09:49 1987
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In article <695@polyslo.UUCP> sdejarne@polyslo.UUCP (Steve DeJarnett) writes:
>In article <16526@clyde.ATT.COM> spf@moss.UUCP (Steve Frysinger) writes:
>>after that...) include substantial courses from the civil engineering
>>domain (strength of materials, statics and dynamics, structural
>>characteristics of concrete (as if tasteful people would build with
>>concrete!)), in addition to the "artistic" courses in visual design,
>>living space human factors, &c.  Most architecture undergrad programs
>>are 5 year programs
>     ^
>Here at Cal Poly (which certainly isn't indicative of the rest of the world), 
>there are 2 architecture degrees.  One is just plain Architecture (you know,
>draw the buildings, come up with great ideas, etc.).  They take 1 year of
>calculus, 2 quarters of Physics, and that's about it.  The other degree is 
>Architectural Engineering (still under the Architecture school, though).  They
>are a 5 year program, and take all of the Strength of Materials, statics &
>dynamics, structural engineering, etc. type of classes.  A friend of mine is
>studying to be an architect also at Washington Univ. (St. Louis), and their 
>architecture program is a 4 year also.  Therefore, not all architects are
>structural engineers.

  To add my $0.02, here at Rice there are basically two Architecture degrees.
One is a BA in Architectural Studies, which according to my undergrad roomate
(an architect student) is basically useless.  The main degree is a BArch which
takes *6* years (its a real-man's degree :-).  The fifth year is a year of
preceptorship with a major firm (he worked for KPF (?) in New York, others
work for people like Bofill in Spain, etc.).  The Architectural Studies
degree is generally given to the students that are not selected to be
preceptors or decide they can't handle 6 years of really hard work.  They
have a lot of structural design classes (a good half dozen or so) and he
took quite a few Computer Aided Design and Analysis classes.

  Architecture is probably the most work of any degree here.  It is in a
separate school, but they work with several other schools closely (esp.
Engineering and Fine Arts).  The dropout/cut rate is VERY high and the
workload in very intense.  I can remember quite a few occasions when I got
back to the room at about 6am after a long night of hackin' and we met each
other at the door (both just getting in).

  He has a good friend at CalPoly (Victor Garcia) who he's always kind of
envied for getting a degree in *only* 5 years.  I always thought 6 years for
a bachelors degree was a bit ridiculous...

John Carter
Rice University

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