Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!cos!hqda-ai!merlin From: merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) Newsgroups: comp.emacs Subject: Re: The Selling of GNU Emacs Message-ID: <538@hqda-ai.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Nov-87 07:59:45 EST Article-I.D.: hqda-ai.538 Posted: Tue Nov 17 07:59:45 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Nov-87 07:09:19 EST References: <530@hqda-ai.UUCP> Organization: Army AI Center, Pentagon Lines: 49 Summary: Apologies and Clarifications This is a bit of a note to the net in general, and the folks as Austin Code Works (ACW) in particular. For background info, see the referenced article. First, to ACW: ============== My original posting has been wildly mis-interpreted, which is my own fault for not being clear in the first place. I did jump the gun a bit. Later information shows that ACW is in fact in compliance with both the letter and spirit of the GNU license. For the implications that ACW is somehow stealing the efforts of the Free Software Foundation, my apologies. (Munch, mumble, hard to speak clearly around all that shoe leather.) Now, to the Net, including ACW: =============================== My intention was to suggest that for FSF to hire a lawyer to protect GNU was unnecessary. By following the terms of the GNU license, instead of the more restrictive vendor's license, the users of a product based on a hijacked GNU could effectively liberate it. (Again, ACW did NOT steal GNU. Not even close.) I think this kind of action is quite defensible, given the terms of the GNU license. There is also something to be learned here. The normal practice of a software vendor is to use a restrictive license. When we see an advertisement for a software product, it is quite reasonable to assume that this type of license applies. When that same advertisement proclaims that the product is based on GNU, confusion, and worse, results. In the end, it turns out that ACW did some very nice things here, but no one knew about them until after the flames hit the net. When using GNU as the basis of a commercial product, it would be very helpful if the software vendor would somehow let us know that they are applying the terms of the GNU license. I understand that space in an ad comes dear, and the marketing types won't want to pay for it just to satisfy a bunch of hackers on some net. I suggest that the net itself should be used for propagation of this information. A short posting to comp.emacs or comp.newprod would provide much more information than a 1/4-page ad, and would open a channel between the users and the vendors. Besides, that would have meant I still had a pair of shoes without teeth marks. -- David S. Hayes, The Merlin of Avalon PhoneNet: (202) 694-6900 UUCP: *!uunet!cos!hqda-ai!merlin ARPA: ai01@hios-pent.arpa