Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!think!ames!ucbcad!zen!ucbvax!NNSC.NSF.NET!craig From: craig@NNSC.NSF.NET (Craig Partridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: re: idle chatter about reference models Message-ID: <8711181317.AA08570@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 18-Nov-87 08:19:09 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8711181317.AA08570 Posted: Wed Nov 18 08:19:09 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Nov-87 04:38:33 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 23 Mike, I'd say HMP belonged at the transport layer. It can be reasonably neatly dropped into a binary bsd kernel as a transport protocol, and it has the usual transport functions (transport user addressing, sequence numbers, etc). As for the four level ARM -- I recently argued to someone that we're approaching five levels: Application [Presentation] Transport Internetwork Network The argument being that while we have no standard Presentation layer, we are certainly using presentation schemes (XDR, Courier, ASN.1, multimedia formats, etc.) Craig