Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!im4u!woton!riddle From: riddle@woton.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: Re: IEF007ACA: WRONG THOUGHT OR PRE-VOCALIZATION Message-ID: <944@woton.UUCP> Date: Thu, 12-Nov-87 12:52:18 EST Article-I.D.: woton.944 Posted: Thu Nov 12 12:52:18 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 14-Nov-87 18:30:01 EST References: <8711111913.AA01260@bu-cs.BU.EDU> Organization: Shriners Burns Institute, Galveston Lines: 32 Summary: How much of thought is expressed in syllables? Overtly-Oral: "Bob" I agree that wiring people up in such a way as to detect "covert oral behavior" would constitute "interesting but scary interface technology." But how much of thought do you really believe is expressed in syllables? It's my opinion that only some thought is verbally (let alone orally) based. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis notwithstanding, I think that on introspection most of us would realize that there are plenty of ideas, experiences, fantasies and other thoughts which we can think but can't verbalize. Visual and tactile images would be simple examples. Even linguistic thinking doesn't always map successfully into words -- how many times have you had a thought "on the tip of your tongue" but been unable to verbalize it? Furthermore, some of the "scarier" potential applications of this technology might be easy to thwart, given a concerted effort to do so. If communities of speakers have managed to come up with cant and jargon to avoid being understood by outsiders in the past, it should be even easier for an individual to purposely obfuscate the language used for his or her internal monologue. Reading the abstract you posted, one thing jumps out at me: I doubt that the system described would be more "natural" than keyboard or speech interfaces because it would avoid the drawback "that human thoughts be transformed into overt actions in order to be recognized by the computer." In fact I suspect that at best it would contain all of the problems of current speech recognition systems -- limited vocabulary and an ability to handle only an artificial subset of speech behavior. If this were the case, in order to use the interface people would have to *overtly* control their "covert oral behavior." --- Prentiss Riddle ("Aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada.") --- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Shriners Burns Institute. --- riddle@woton.UUCP {ihnp4,harvard}!ut-sally!im4u!woton!riddle