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From: mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: CBM and upgrade paths ( My two cents ).
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Date: Thu, 12-Nov-87 23:25:13 EST
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In article <2710@cbmvax.UUCP> hedley@cbmvax.UUCP (Hedley Davis) writes:
<Oh man. Do you guys have any idea what its like checking out this
<newsgroup every day, and seeing 2-5 MWM messages bitching and moaning ?

You don't like it, ignore it. I'll mail you a copy of rn if you don't
got KILL files.

I, on the other hand, can't ignore the A2000 and the changed Zorro
specs. Every time I call a dealer looking for hardware, I get reminded
of it.

<The second step is the next generation of machines. Don't think we
<are sitting here on our high horse laughing all the way to the bank.

Which, so I've been told, will have *yet another* bus. Maybe compatable
with Zorro ][, maybe not.

<We are scared S***LESS. The whole idea is to build machines which will
<sell to  allow us some breathing room so that we can design the next
<batch.

To quote a Go master: "If that's the best way you can live, then you
might as well drop dead." If you don't play go, you'll probably
misinterpet it. But it applies so perfectly to this case, I'm going to
let it stand.

<Undoubtly, no one will be satisfied with them either. We ( I )
<think there are alot of nice features, but then again, MWM won't.

Depends. If you do things to sell machines, as opposed to trying to
produce a killer machine, probably not. Then again, if I was satisfied
with what sold machines, I would've bought an IBM PC long ago.

<But honestly, with Meyer dead  set on undermining everything we do,
<and several other people complaining that everything we do is wrong,
<and stupid, and useless, and how our management sucks, I gotta 
<wonder why I bother coming to work in the morning.

What makes you think I'm dead set on undermining everything you do?
Let's see - have I killed any Amiga sales? Probably, but I was doing
that before there was an A2000 to bitch about. All I did was tell a
writer that he ought to buy a machine that's he's comfortable using.
The Amiga wasn't it. I've also probably killed sales post-A2000. Did I
do so buy lieing, saying nasty things about CBM, or otherwise acting
like Tramiel? No - unless you consider telling the truth to be "saying
nasty things about CBM." All I did was describe the Zorro I -> Zorro ][
change. I carefully pointed out that the cards would work in either
bus, but if you put it in the wrong one, you'd have to run with the
cover off. Since these people normally deal with serious machines,
that was quite sufficient.

<If I was a paranoid type, I'd swear alot of this net.bandwidth is
<a Tramielian plot or something.

Tramiel had nothing to do with it. Probably isn't sharp enough to
realize that it's an effective tool.

<I mean, most of this is accomplishing two things:
<	1)	Pissing off the net gods -> threatening to hurt the
<		newsgroup.
<	2)	Killing sales of new machines to people who stop in and
<		read a little bit of this stuff.

You think I don't know this? Be careful not to confuse *acting*
irrational with *being* irrational. There are ratoinal reasons to act
irrationally.

Or maybe you object to having CBM's dirty underwear displayed in public?
Well, who's to blame for them being dirty?

<It definitely does NOT accomplish one thing:
<	1)	Effect positive change ( Who listens to total whiners ?)

I dunno - with luck, the next time around, you'll bloody well have an
upgrade path. If I've convinced even *one* person that this is a good
idea, then it was worth it.

<Oh, and by the way mike:  Shove it.

I would, but it seems to have stuck in your craw.

	<mike

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Love and affection,					Mike Meyer
Of the corporate kind.					mwm@berkeley.edu
It's just belly to belly,				ucbvax!mwm
Never eye to eye.					mwm@ucbjade.BITNET