Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!hao!ames!oliveb!amiga!cbmvax!daveh From: daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: CBM and upgrade paths ( My two cents ). Message-ID: <2759@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Nov-87 15:03:39 EST Article-I.D.: cbmvax.2759 Posted: Fri Nov 13 15:03:39 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 15-Nov-87 11:42:22 EST References: <5883@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 76 in article <5883@jade.BERKELEY.EDU>, mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) says: > > Which, so I've been told, will have *yet another* bus. Maybe compatable > with Zorro ][, maybe not. The bus has NEVER changed, only the form-factor. At least you can speak accurately, I know you're intelligent enough to perform such a feat. And no one will have any reason to complain if we introduce a 32 bit buss that still runs 16 bit cards. Unless you can get your mindset convoluted enough to get angry about the fact that 32 bit cards would run faster than 16 bit cards, so we're "forcing" folks to upgrade to 32 bit. Or convince the world that there's never going to be a need for 32 bit cards. That would certainly make my job easier over the next year or two. > > To quote a Go master: "If that's the best way you can live, then you > might as well drop dead." Which Go master? I'd rather hear from Zen masters, as what they say applies to any case. But regardless of the validity of the application, such an appication can very easily be pointless. Such as the current case. If I don't survive this generation, I can't progress to the next one. This principal is also applicable to all cases, and is far older and more universal than anything Go masters or Zen masters have considered in the paultry several thousand years they've existed. > All I did was describe the Zorro I -> Zorro ][ > change. I carefully pointed out that the cards would work in either > bus, but if you put it in the wrong one, you'd have to run with the > cover off. Since these people normally deal with serious machines, > that was quite sufficient. NO! These people don't normally deal with serious machines. The large majority of the world as we know it doesn't deal with serious machines. The world as we know it deals with (A) PC[lones] (B) C64s and (C) Apple IIs. Given that there are at least 12 million of A, 7 million of B, and 4 million of C. That's 23 million machines. Not a serious machine in the lot. The number of people who deal with real computers is much smaller. The number of people who'd understand the difference is quite a bit smaller than that. > You think I don't know this? Be careful not to confuse *acting* > irrational with *being* irrational. There are ratoinal reasons to act > irrationally. Let's not drag Ayn Rand into this... > Or maybe you object to having CBM's dirty underwear displayed in public? > Well, who's to blame for them being dirty? CBM certainly has underwear, but I suspect you've borrowed it to wear for awhile before displaying it in public. So who made it dirty. > I dunno - with luck, the next time around, you'll bloody well have an > upgrade path. If I've convinced even *one* person that this is a good > idea, then it was worth it. Naa. Maybe we'll be like Apple, and charge $800 for a 360K memory upgrade. Or be like everyone else, and offer no upgrade at all. AND DON'T START BRINGING UP MINICOMPUTERS AGAIN! If I paid $200,000 for a VAX, I'd expect and upgrade. At $2000 for an Amiga, I've got no place EXPECTING an upgrade. As YOU have pointed out, neither IBM nor Apple have offered similar upgrades, and they are the leaders in the PC market, aren't they? Sun and Apollo don't offer similar upgrades, and there are far more non-upgrades that George had mentioned. I'm beginning to wonder is CBM would have been shat upon as much with no upgrade. No, that's foolish. You're in a VAST minority in that respect, as witnessed by the fact that A2000s can't be made fast enough, almost to a serious degree. >