Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!cbmvax!grr From: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: CBM and upgrade paths Message-ID: <2771@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 15-Nov-87 02:54:53 EST Article-I.D.: cbmvax.2771 Posted: Sun Nov 15 02:54:53 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 16-Nov-87 03:49:16 EST References: <8711040542.AA29099@violet.berkeley.edu> <1203@omepd> Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 64 In article <1203@omepd> hah@mipon3.UUCP (Hans Hansen) writes: > [Line eater ... sick the jerk that killed the A1000 > > The real STUPID act is the A1000 + $1000 = A/B2000. While on the surface > this seems like a real nice offer, a closer look shows just how stupid it > really is. > > 1) It dose nothing to broaden the Amiga install base. Nonsense, it all but insures the existing A1000's will stay out in the field somewhere, either with some new user who didn't feel they could afford an A1000 before and now feel they're getting a real deal, or perhaps with the original owner. I don't expect any A1000's to meet the big scrap cruncher in the sky... > 2) It KILLED the value of the A1000 ! Buy back your A1000 for $50 !!! Sure, it depressed the used A1000 market price for a bit, but how much does that have to do with value? How many people have offered you A1000's for $50? I expect the price for used Amiga's will stay reasonable, except for some exchanges among friends or perhaps with in user's groups. For that matter Commodore is still selling A1000's, although the volume has dropped to a trickle now that the A500'a and A2000's are actually out on the dealer's shelves. > What C= should have done: I think you were being deliberatly obtuse here. The A2000 upgrade and the Commodore user's group software deal are what are known as "promotions". They are not giveaways, presents for existing users, attempts by Commodore to dabble in used brand-x equipment, or damage the dealers ability to sell software. > Items needing fixing by C= : > 1) Cheap box, improve the supports, add an option allowing Zorro I boards > to be housed within a CLOSED A/B2000. Try it Hans. I don't see any practical way to make such an adapter without prevent you from using any of the newer format cards. > 2) Extreamly BAD keyboard, take the SAG out... the existing keyboard > has more SAG than an old "NAG"*. The last time I checked, the A2000 keyboard springs a bit if you push on it, but seems pretty solid when you are actually typing. Pretty nice keyboard in other ways, except perhaps the shrunken function keys. > 3) Fix the internal clock setup program to allow the user to correctly > set the clock. Huh? > 4) Fix the hardware incompatability problems that cause programs that work > on a A1000 w/exp RAM to GURU on the B2000. More huh? The programs that fail on the A2000 seem to be the same ones that fail on an A1000 with expansion memory. There are utilities that clean up most of them, and if you have a real affection for defective software, you can rig up a little switch across J500 to disable expansion memory at will. -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {ihnp4|rutgers|allegra}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: out to lunch... Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)