Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!rochester!udel!rminnich From: rminnich@udel.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Insider ram board and klinetronics rams Message-ID: <726@louie.udel.EDU> Date: Wed, 18-Nov-87 13:25:58 EST Article-I.D.: louie.726 Posted: Wed Nov 18 13:25:58 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Nov-87 06:29:46 EST Reply-To: rminnich@udel.EDU (Ron Minnich) Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 89 Some time ago i sent out a request for an evaluation of Klinetronics ram boards and the Insider card from Michigan Software. I got back nothing on the Klinetronics. I got back a lot on the Insider card. It was all very favorable. So i told my father to get the Insider for $300. It includes 1 Meg. ram and a clock. Our experiences follow: First, if you can, do the 'solder it in' job. I do not trust E-Z-Hooks, though some of my correspondents reported good luck with them even over a period of a year. But soldering it in is so easy, what the heck. They also provide the 'extra ground on the daughterboard' fix, which i may apply to my own amiga when i get a chance. There were two problems: 1) We had to get a sheet metal nibbler and cut a little of df0:s sheet metal away. About a 1/2" by 1/4" section. The board was a tiny bit too big. 2) There was a solder bridge from ground to one of the address lines. But the diagnostic only complained about problems when the memory was configured at $600000, not at $200000 or $c00000. The symptom for $c00000 was that the machine would lock up instantly as soon as the $c00000 memory was referenced. I did not see the solder bridge right away (my eyes going bad? i used to be good at this stuff) so we wasted some time before my father found it. The installation was otherwise pretty easy. The instructions were good, not heathkit-level but quite readable. The job took 3 man-hours or so, plus another 1 or 2 for debugging. Now he has 1.5 Mb and boy is he happy! So, all in all, I and many others can recommend this card without exception. The quality of the card is good; my solder bridge was the only one i have heard of; the users who wrote (one from Australia) had been using them for as long as a year with no trouble. And of course having it auto-config is nice. And judging from the latest JDR catalog $300 for 1 meg is a very competitive price, esp. with the clock/calendar thrown in. -- ron (rminnich@udel.edu) Newsgroups: Comp.sys.amiga Subject: Insider Card summary Expires: References: Sender: Reply-To: rminnich@udel.EDU (Ron Minnich) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Delaware Keywords: Some time ago i sent out a request for an evaluation of Klinetronics ram boards and the Insider card from Michigan Software. I got back nothing on the Klinetronics. I got back a lot on the Insider card. It was all very favorable. So i told my father to get the Insider for $300. It includes 1 Meg. ram and a clock. Our experiences follow: First, if you can, do the 'solder it in' job. I do not trust E-Z-Hooks, though some of my correspondents reported good luck with them even over a period of a year. But soldering it in is so easy, what the heck. They also provide the 'extra ground on the daughterboard' fix, which i may apply to my own amiga when i get a chance. There were two problems: 1) We had to get a sheet metal nibbler and cut a little of df0:s sheet metal away. About a 1/2" by 1/4" section. The board was a tiny bit too big. 2) There was a solder bridge from ground to one of the address lines. But the diagnostic only complained about problems when the memory was configured at $600000, not at $200000 or $c00000. The symptom for $c00000 was that the machine would lock up instantly as soon as the $c00000 memory was referenced. I did not see the solder bridge right away (my eyes going bad? i used to be good at this stuff) so we wasted some time before my father found it. The installation was otherwise pretty easy. The instructions were good, not heathkit-level but quite readable. The job took 3 man-hours or so, plus another 1 or 2 for debugging. Now he has 1.5 Mb and boy is he happy! So, all in all, I and many others can recommend this card without exception. The quality of the card is good; my solder bridge was the only one i have heard of; the users who wrote (one from Australia) had been using them for as long as a year with no trouble. And of course having it auto-config is nice. And judging from the latest JDR catalog $300 for 1 meg is a very competitive price, esp. with the clock/calendar thrown in. -- ron (rminnich@udel.edu)