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From: cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Taking the WB out of the KS!
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Date: Tue, 24-Nov-87 16:20:09 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov 24 16:20:09 1987
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In article <4247@garfield.UUCP> (Joseph Dawson) writes:
>   I was just talking to a friend who works at one of the local Amiga
>stores. He said that the new KickStart will have NONE or very little
>WorkBench stuff in it. This will mean the new WB 1.3 will have a lot
>of space on it used up for WB. (As if I had LOADS of room on my WB.) 

That second fact does not follow from the first. True if the workbench
code that is currently resident in the ROM gets pulled out into a disk
library, it will take up space on the WorkBench disk, but how much space
is not known by us mere mortals. Personally, I think it is a good thing
since the ROM routines can be enhanced and programs that could care less
about the Workbench (some games come to mind) would have a wider variety
of things to work with. I would like to see some Hi-res font stuck in 
there as well (a redesigned Topaz-11 would be nice) so that I can assume
a decent font will be available for my 640 X 400 screens. 

>   If this is true we have a much bigger problem. When I stick in any
>program made for KS 1.2 it will expect to find part or WB loaded with
>KS, but if KS 1.21 will not have it loaded what will happen?

If you haven't done a LoadWB then your program can't get to the 
workbench. So there wouldn't be any change. If you do use LoadWB then
you will have to copy that to your disk anyway, in this case it may
be a bit larger than you are used to. 

>   I hope my friend is wrong or most all WB 1.2 will not run under 
>KS 1.21.

Why wouldn't it still run? I can see two possible senarios either 
workbench.library is included on the new 1.3 workbench disk and LoadWB
is unchanged or, LoadWB creates the library itself and uses MakeLibrary
to install it on the system list (it could also try opening it first
for backward compatibility.) However, I would like to see Commodore go 
to 512K (or 1Meg) ROM's so that there would be lots of room to add useful 
features.

--Chuck McManis
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