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From: bryan@mothra.cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: CBM and upgrade paths
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Date: Sat, 7-Nov-87 01:19:11 EST
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Posted: Sat Nov  7 01:19:11 1987
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In article <1203@omepd> hah@mipon3.UUCP (Hans Hansen) writes:
=-[Line eater ...  sick the jerk that killed the A1000
=-
=-The real STUPID act is the A1000 + $1000 = A/B2000.  While on the surface
=-this seems like a real nice offer, a closer look shows just how stupid it
=-really is.
	Read this one again; a closer look shows just how stupid IT really is.
Hans, is this strident tone just a result of a lack of a more mature 
vocabulary, or are you given to making up for flawed reasoning with blustery
polemics?
=-
=-1)  It dose nothing to broaden the Amiga install base.
	Oh no?  Where, pray tell, are all those traded-in-and-kept A1000s going
then, if they are not being resold?  Sure, some people will keep their old
machines, but I for one wouldn't have bought an A2000 in the first place if it
hadn't been for the trade-in.  Many others who have asked me about the $1050
deal have said the same thing.  Most of those old A1000s will find new and 
happy owners.  As long as a substantial number of people wouldn't have upgraded
for a larger amount of money, and as long as most of those who do upgrade sell
their A1000s, the trade-in does a LOT to broaden the installed base.
=-
=-2)  It KILLED the value of the A1000 !  Buy back your A1000 for $50 !!!
	First of all no.  Second, so what?  The $50 buy-back is an artifact of
a low-margin dealer eating the profit on a used A1000 to sell more 2000s.
Even I, who slept through all of ECON 102 at Cornell not all that long ago,
know how this works.  Just because I buy back my A1000 for $50, doesn't mean
it's WORTH $50 to me; it's worth whatever I can get for it, which is a lot 
more.  I could just as well look at it as having bought back my A1000 for $1050
and gotten the trade-in for $0.  Now what happened?  Did the value of the
A1000 just go up?  Hmm?
=-
=-
=-What C= should have done: 
=-
=-1)  Offer A/B2000 to A1000 and C64/128 owners for $1300 ... no trade in.  This
=-    would have maintained the value of the A1000 while allowing existing owners
=-    a fair "upgrade?" option.
	How is this different than a $1000 trade-in and a $300 buy-back?
=-
=-2)  Offer a $300 trade in for Atari ST systems, $50 for Atari 800 et als,
=-    $200 for IBM PC/x88 clones,  $300 for IBM PC/x86 clones and IBM PC/x88,
=-    $400 for IBM PC/x86.... and then resell these for $50 to $300!
	Oh, spam; no one is going to trade in anything for these laughable
sums if they have any reasonable software investment.  The only reason the
Amiga trade-in works is because all of us new 2000ers can still run robotroff!
8^}
=-
=-Hans			hah@inteloa  -or-  hah$mipon3

	Don't bitch just 'cause you can't scrape together the $1050. :-) :-)
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