Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!cbmvax!hedley From: hedley@cbmvax.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: CBM and upgrade paths ( My two cents ). Message-ID: <2710@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Nov-87 19:03:48 EST Article-I.D.: cbmvax.2710 Posted: Mon Nov 9 19:03:48 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Nov-87 01:55:25 EST References: <8711040542.AA29099@violet.berkeley.edu> <2696@cbmvax.UUCP> <5807@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> <4410@well.UUCP> Reply-To: hedley@cbmvax.UUCP (Hedley Davis) Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 88 Oh man. Do you guys have any idea what its like checking out this newsgroup every day, and seeing 2-5 MWM messages bitching and moaning ? And then, Leo gets on, and dumps alot of stories about all the bad things we have done. ( Big ouch ). Nothing but negative stories, gripes, and moans about this or that and so much of it is water under the bridge and can't be changed now, but the complaining and whining just keeps on coming in. Alot of us here ( the vast majority in fact ) are behing the Amiga 100%, and do everything we can to do what we ( maybe incorrectly, but not maliciously so ) percieve is best to foster the machine into a stronger one. One really annoying thing about this is the number of Monday Morning Quarterbacks out there. You are not here, you do NOT know alot of the considerations, and just because something seems so, does not make it so. We are not a large company. We are rather small compared to IBM or APPLE or DEC. We have a heavy debt load ( largely due to the Amiga which has consumed unimaginable amounts of cash ), and we have to make a sale to survive. We are doing an awful lot to put the right types of channels in place to allow us to sell higher end machines, but unfortunately, the majority of our sales come from the the lower end machines. ( The only reason we had enough cash/borrowing power to buy Amiga is because of the success of the C64 ). So Yeah, sometimes we do things which, in the interest of making sales, somehow pervert the ( percieved by the hacker community ) intrinsic beauty of the Amiga into something else. This is called taking a machine too expensive to sell ( a real death wish here folks ) and doing what you have to sell them so that you can survive. Hopefully we can retain some functionality in the process. The second step is the next generation of machines. Don't think we are sitting here on our high horse laughing all the way to the bank. We are scared S***LESS. The whole idea is to build machines which will sell to allow us some breathing room so that we can design the next batch. Undoubtly, no one will be satisfied with them either. We ( I ) think there are alot of nice features, but then again, MWM won't. How many "great" machines have died because of lack of market penitration ? Lots. Think about it. The amiga may be scarred, but it is still alive, and for the most part, pretty healthy. So the point is that everyone here is doing what they percieves as best. We always welcome constructive comments and honest criticism. We do what we can. But honestly, with Meyer dead set on undermining everything we do, and several other people complaining that everything we do is wrong, and stupid, and useless, and how our management sucks, I gotta wonder why I bother coming to work in the morning. If I was a paranoid type, I'd swear alot of this net.bandwidth is a Tramielian plot or something. I mean, most of this is accomplishing two things: 1) Pissing off the net gods -> threatening to hurt the newsgroup. 2) Killing sales of new machines to people who stop in and read a little bit of this stuff. It definitely does NOT accomplish one thing: 1) Effect positive change ( Who listens to total whiners ?) ( If anyuthing, it kills any respect we have for the net input. I'm sorry but I'm human, and I tend to disregard people screaming at me, especially when they repeat themselves over and over again. ) So if you guys want to piss off the net gods, kill our sales, and avert any chance of effecting positive change, just keep on doing what your doing right now. I doubt I could conceive a better way to do it. This way you really will have an orphan, and I'll be in the bread lines. Thanks one hell of alot. Oh, and by the way mike: Shove it. Hedley THESE ARE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS. FLAMES ARE CATIGORICALLY IGNORED. NOTHING IN THIS NOTE REFLECTS ANY OPINIONS OTHER THAN MY OWN. I AM NOT PERFECT, I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE PERFECT. ( HELL, I CAN'T EVEN SPELL ). POINTING OUT MY FAULTS ( IN THE WAY Y'ALL ARE INCLINED TO DO ) WON'T REALLY HELP THIS MUCH. ( AND ITS A PRETTY LOWLIFE THING TO DO ).