Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!uwvax!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!chinet!dag From: dag@chinet.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: Re: Another voice for the PRO. Message-ID: <1844@chinet.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Nov-87 00:01:17 EST Article-I.D.: chinet.1844 Posted: Tue Nov 17 00:01:17 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Nov-87 19:50:01 EST References: <8711140131.AA10137@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Reply-To: dag@chinet.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) Organization: Chinet - Public Access Unix Lines: 57 Keywords: PRO Demise FLAME Summary: A guess as to why DEC "axed" the PRO Well, I may be able to shed a little light onto the fate of the late, lamented, PRO-300 family. I was working for DEC, and was involved at one level or another in the development of the PRO from very early on until P/OS V2.0 (or was it 3.0?)... I wrote graphics firmware for a few P/OS versions, and attended more meetings than I can recount. The problem with the PRO was that it never found its market. This machine was driven by MARKETING (insert flame here). These people made decisions which most of the engineers working on the product agreed would alienate the loyal PDP-11 following, ignore the base of software already available on for the PDP, and be generally hostile to the traditional DEC user. They wanted to go after the "Power Users". People who don't want to know anything, they just want it done. They chose to go with a modified version of RSX-11M Plus with no MCR, or even DCL, take away multi-user protection, drop a lot of CLI support, etc., and make the machine act like an applications engine. The RT-11 group developed for the PRO against the wishes of some of the managers responsible. The man in charge of software for the PRO at one time said that Unix would be available for the PRO only "over my dead body". The hardware engineers designed a reliable workhorse in a packaging that I've yet to see the equal of, and the product managers insisted that the floppy drive controller have its formatting logic removed so that cheap floppys could not be used (since they would have a high failure rate and some brands would screw up the RX-50 heads) because none were available certified for the high density (now being used by IBM AT's) and if the floppy format failed, the user might blame DEC! They then made application development too expensive and complicated for small organizations (The native toolkit helped, but not enough). No applications, no sales. No sales, no further development to extend the family. No further developments, no applications. Repeat application until out of business... RT-11 came too late to get the PRO into the lab. Unix came too late to get the PRO into the schools. Applications, if they came, were too late to get the PRO into the offices. Too bad. A machine with so much going for it was killed by bad marketing. If the engineers had had their way, it may have been different. -- Daniel A. Glasser ----------------------------------------+---------------------------- Cheese is not a discipline! | ...!ihnp4!chinet!dag | ...!ihnp4!mwc!gorgon!dag | ...!ihnp4!chinet!gorgon!dag Disclaimer: I assume full responsibility for my opinions. If my employer knew of some of them, I'd be unemployed.