Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!necntc!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!hplabs!parcvax!burton From: burton@parcvax.Xerox.COM (Philip M. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: new floppy format proposal Message-ID: <607@parcvax.Xerox.COM> Date: Fri, 6-Nov-87 01:53:00 EST Article-I.D.: parcvax.607 Posted: Fri Nov 6 01:53:00 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 15-Nov-87 03:18:14 EST References: <4289@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> <1155@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: burton@parcvax.xerox.com.UUCP (Philip M. Burton) Organization: Xerox PARC Lines: 47 Keywords: high-density floppy At the risk of sounding like an old f---, I think the last thing the world needs is Yet Another Floppy Disk Format (YAFDF). Even in today's IBM/clone world, we already have 4 currently viable formats: 5 1/4" "standard" DS/DD 5 1/4" high-density 3 1/2" 720 KB 3 1/2" 1.44 MB Guys, that's enough!! When I worked at Shugart, the now gone disk drive company, we did a calculation that demonstrated that the maximum increase in capacity from using constant-bit density recording was 100%. In practice, the increase would be much less because of finite sector sizes, complexity of motor speed controls, etc. The 4X increase in capacity of the 5 1/4" high-density disk, at a much lower increase in cost, definitely is the way to go. Much higher capacities are available in 5 1/4" in the laboratory, which are read-compatible with today's formats. However, even four formats is too many, if you have a big population of systems or you are a software publisher. Now, for those in the audience who never knew the joys of CP/M systems, the lack of disk interchange was one of the notorious problems of that environment. Every different company, and there were so many in the pre-IBM PC days, had a slightly different format. I even have a file of about 100 different 5 1/4" and 8" formats, specifying all the different parameters that uniquely defined YAFDF. The practical effect was to kill interchangeability for all but 8" systems that could support the old SS/SD. There were, and still are, commercial programs that can read and write "foreign" formats on CP/M systems. All in the name of "progress", the customer was screwed. That's not progress, that's NIH-ism at its worst. (Maybe not, RS232C may be worse.) Flames to /dev/dysan and /dev/verbatim. -- Philip Burton burton.osbunorth@parcvax.COM Xerox Corp. .... !hplabs!parcvax!burton 408 737 4635 ... the usual disclaimers apply ...