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From: flowers@CS.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Suitcase,Pyro,Findswell don't load any more
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Date: Fri, 20-Nov-87 15:52:44 EST
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Posted: Fri Nov 20 15:52:44 1987
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The problem is that if I boot off of a floppy, Suitcase, Pyro,
Findswell (all inits I think) are loaded, but if I copy that exact
system folder to my hard disk, they are not loaded.

They all used to work fine, and this problem started after a bomb and
reboot.  If anyone can tell me what would be causing this, I'd be
grateful.  Here are the details:

A few days ago I installed Finder 6.0 / System 4.2 / MultiFinder 1.0
on my SE 1meg with hard disk.  In addition I've been using Suitcase,
Findswell, and Pyro.  All working fine except for the problems others
have noted (e.g.  Suitcase-MultiFinder incompatibility).  Today I was
trying out an analog clock on the screen that I hadn't tried before.
It told me there wasn't enough memory (I was running Versaterm and
maybe something else like MacWrite to help fill up the memory), but
then a clock started to show on the screen, until everything died.

I tried rebooting the machine with the programmer's button, and reboot
started but failed with ID=02.  I tried again and it still failed, so
then I booted off of the floppy version of MultiFinder.  That worked,
so I copied the System file over and rebooted.  The machine booted but
none of the inits were there (in addion, the Findswell icon that
normally shows up during startup doesn't show up).  I tried a number
of different things to attempt to change whatever it was that was
causing inits to work on floppy boot but not hard boot:

- the Suitcase documentation suggests eliminating DAs one by one, but

that didn't help (I'm starting now with a default system).

- made an entire new system folder from floppy (renaming the old one
to something else), added all my own stuff, rebooted.  No suitcase....

- recalled something about someone having trouble with Suitcase,
resetting the PRam by special control panel invokation.  I tried that,
didn't help...

- made a floppy copy of the Multifinder System Folder, added Suitcase,
Findswell, Pyro, booted off of it, they were all loaded.  So then I
renamed (yet another) HD System Folder to something else, and then
copied the exact floppy System Folder to the HD, booted.  No Suitcase ...

- made the HD Desktop file visible with MacTools, renamed it to
something else, rebooted.  No Suitcase (but it took a while to reboot).

- Set default startup to be Finder instead of MultiFinder, didn't
help.

I'm not sure what else to try to do to uncover and fix the problem, or
what else could be different between the HD and floppy boots, but I'm
new to Macs, so might be overlooking something.  I don't want to do a
backup, reinitialize of the disk, and then a restore, because since I
don't know the cause, I might just end up preserving whatever is
causing this problem, but will try that if nothing else works.

thanks for any help,
Margot Flowers   Flowers@CS.UCLA.EDU   ...!{ucbvax|ihnp4}!ucla-cs!flowers