Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!nrl-cmf!ames!oliveb!sun!plaid!chuq From: chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac Subject: MacUser Hypercard coverage Message-ID: <34557@sun.uucp> Date: Sun, 22-Nov-87 17:16:40 EST Article-I.D.: sun.34557 Posted: Sun Nov 22 17:16:40 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Nov-87 04:33:56 EST Sender: news@sun.uucp Lines: 81 Xref: mnetor comp.sys.mac.hypercard:154 comp.sys.mac:10141 Was anyone else disgusted by Steve Bobker's editorial in the latest MacUser? On how rotten Hypercard was? (Fortunately, Shapiro was on the next page write exactly the opposite -- the end result being that MacUSer, as usual, didn't say a damn thing....). For those that missed it, Bobker has two main points 'proving' that Hypercard was bad: 1) Apple's giving it away. And for only one reason, because it'll force everyone to go out and buy more memory, causing Apple to make lots of money. Now, while I'll admit that lots of folks are going to want/need more memory, lots of that upgrade money will be going to third parties, not to Apple. I don't see a lot of gain for Apple from this one. And Bobker misses the basic reason why Apple is giving HyperCard away. Bill Atkinson had it written into his contract. If Apple DID NOT give HyperCard away, ownership reverted back to Bill and he planned on giving it away himself. Apple basically had no choice. It's not as if this is a big secret. It was common knowledge at MacExpo. It's been all over this network as well as on Delphi (and, I assume, on CompuServe). The only excuse I can see for this is that Bobker either is completely ignoring reality or he's creating his own reality in a way to make Apple look bad. At best, it's shoddy journalism. I'm not impressed. 2) Bobker's other point was that the lack of restriction on the user interface will kill the Mac. I almost fell out of my chair laughing over this one. His claim is that with everyone doing exactly what they want, the cohesiveness of the Mac Interface will die, and so will the mac. My response is simple. Bull. To put it simply, this isn't a new problem. Lots of programs have taken lots of liberties with the Mac User Interface over time. The really strange ones, the ones that broke rules or bent them in bad ways, tend to go out of business because people won't buy or use them. They get bad reviews, bad press, and bad sales. Others muck with the user interface and occasionally fix something that was broken, or come up with something the interface forgot. The zoom-window icon, for instance, came out of an extension in Word 1.0, not out of Apple. It was a good enough idea that Apple adopted it. MacUser has the most consistently unprogfessional and immature journalism of ANY magazine in the Mac universe. This is just the latest instance of shoddy writing and innuendo. MacUser seems to think that Apple Bashing is a Good Thing. I'm all for criticizing Apple when they muck up, but MacUser never seems to have anything good to say. And if the facts don't back them up, they tend to make up some new facts (just keep an eye on the Rumor Manager section -- especially the rumors about the Developer Cabal that's going to file suit over HyperCard. The Cabal seems to consist of Owl, Owl, and Owl). I'd also like to point out that MacUser is by far the most unprofessional magazine I've ever attempted to work with from the point of view of a writer. They've punted four straight queries of mine. Not turned them down, simply neglected to respond to them at all (and yes, I include return postage and envelopes). This is pretty nasty, becausze many ideas have limited time value -- by the time you realize they aren't going to bother responding, the idea is unsalable elsewhere. This doesn't seem to be a special case, either. I've talked with two other Macuser writers or attempted-writers who have had major problems getting timely responses out of them. I have heard from an unidentified but reliable source that MacUser lost a senior editorial person to another magazine because they refused to pay freelancers on a timely basis. Many folks I talk to now refuse to write for them -- and you can count me on that list now, too. The latest query was sent after a request in the last issue for queries from new writers. MacUser specifically asked folks to contact them about writing for them. So I did, and as part of the letter pointed out my past problems with getting responses from the magazine and asked for a confirmation of the letter by November 15 (four weeks for a confirmation of a one page query letter not being unreasonable). A week past the deadline, nada. Even as their asking folks to write for them, they're screwing over those that try. MacUser started out a good magazine. They've turned into a shoddy, unprofessional, inaccurate rumorsheet. I've let my subscription lapse, and I've sent them my last query. This kind of magazine the field can do without. If I were you, if you read MacUser, I'd find a new magazine. chuq --- Chuq "Fixed in 4.0" Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM Delphi: CHUQ