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Subject: Re: Defending Eric Mading
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Date: Thu, 19-Nov-87 18:27:17 EST
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Posted: Thu Nov 19 18:27:17 1987
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In article <34296@sun.UUCP> chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
     
     
>. . . someone like Ken Arndt can make some of the most racist,
>abusive and purely NASTY comments you can think of (to chose one old,
>hopefully left behind us example) and the second someone calls him on them,
>everyone runs out and defends the bastard. Where were these folks when he
>was doing the abusing? Not defending anyone then.
     
I think if you'll note I was the original author of "Defending Eric Mading,"
you'll find I was flaming Eric Mading after practically every thing he posted
to the net.  When he posted the "pot smoking Jew" article that got him kicked
off the net, I was in the forefront calling him a bigoted moron.  However,
I was the first to defend him when he was kicked off the net.
     
I see no dichotomy here.
     
>Oh, and while I'm at it, let me make my normal snotty comment for a
>situation like this. It shows up the mindset of the people involved.
>Inevitably, when something like this occurs, the following statement is made
>at one point or another in some form:
     
>        He has the right to say anything he wants, and you don't have
>        the right to say he doesn't
     
I have never said this in any form.  All I say is that you have no right to
to anything to keep him from saying what he wants.  There's a difference.
For example, Mading has the right to spew his bigoted trash onto the net if
he so pleases; however, if he tries to act on any of it by discriminating
against actual people, then I will be the first to toss him into jail.
     
I've never denied your right to say he doesn't have the right to post, only
denied your right forcibly to shut him up.
     
I think you're pulling that quote out of your own imagination.  I've seen no-
body saying this, in the form you give, or any other form.  I don't think
anyone's tried to get you kicked off the net for crowing with glee over Eric's
eviction.  And I don't think anyone's said you don't belong on the net, either.
     
     
>This one always makes me laugh. If you don't see the problem with this
>statement, I suggest you study it carefully. You're PART of the problem, not
>the cure.
     
Of course I see the problem with this statement.  I've never made it, though,
so don't really see its relevance.
     
>chuq (net fascist, ret.)
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