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From: marcos@caus-dp.UUCP
Newsgroups: sci.crypt
Subject: Re: Footnote to discussion of cameras in ATMs
Message-ID: <284@caus-dp.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 17-Nov-87 16:52:41 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov 17 16:52:41 1987
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In article <6252@sunybcs.UUCP>, ugfailau@sunybcs.uucp (Fai Lau) writes:
> In article <5560@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> willis@violet.berkeley.edu (Willis Johnson) writes:
> >You guessed it.  I lost mine and somebody used it. I won't tell
> >you where they found the PIN! :-)  The guy used it four times to
> >withdraw a total of $520 from my account.  The ATMs took a total
> >of 18 clear photos of him.  They looked like offprints from a video
> >tape.  We identified him from the pictures and the Berkeley Police
> >inform me that those pictures are admissible evidence in California.
> 
> 	I have always known what's behind those plastic "windows"
> at every ATM. It's alota fun poking faces at them. If the Machine
> doesn't somethime I'd taped a piece of flyer on them just to piss
> someone off. I just don't get it when someone is smart enough
> to use other people's bank card and not smart enough to
> cover the camera before screwing around with the machine.
> 

My sister goes to UCB and had an ATM card for Wells Fargo Bank. She
also lives in the dorms there and someone down the hall managed to lift
her card from her room in one of those poddy panics that students high
on caffeen get every 15 minutes or so. Anyway, they managed to get a
few hundred dollars from her account (How they figured out the PIN I'll
never know) and they almost got away with it.

Apparently Wells Farge doesn't take pictures unless there is a flag on 
your card account. She went down to the Bank two days later when she
finally figured out it wasn't in the laundry or under the chemistry
book and they informed her that it had been used in the last few
days. After that they put the mark on her account and they caught the
guy as he drained the last of her savings out of her account...

The big problem is that even though they did catch the thief and convict
him, my sister only got back the money that she had lost after they
had turned on the cameras. She didn't get any of the other money back
even though the guy admitted to the crime...

Now I ask you, is this fair? I suppose its the law, but then...

Marcos R. Della

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