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From: snoopy@doghouse.gwd.tek.com (Snoopy)
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Subject: Re: Christmas Celebration
Keywords: Religious intolerance
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Date: 22 Dec 87 16:33:02 GMT
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In article <7712@eddie.MIT.EDU> ooblick@eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry) writes:
>In article <22254@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jwl@ernie.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (James Wilbur Lewis) writes:

>>>Is it
>>>all right for me (who owns my own company, thank you) to have a 
>>>"white" party for my employees?  How about a "female only" party?

Yes.  Yes.  In fact, my SO recently attended a party with only white
females present.  In fact everyone at her company is a white female.

>And, in case it has taken awhile for this to sink in, I will state it again,
>using *company* funds, *company* facilities, and/or *company* time to
>perpetuate one religion over another, one sex over another, one race
>over another, etc. etc. is a pretty damn slimey thing to do at best,
>and illegal at worst.

You have things confused.  It's seperation of Church and STATE, not
separation of Church and CORPORATIONS.  Companies are owned by people.
People should have a right to do what they want with things they own,
providing they don't harm other people or things they don't own.
Harming others means things like putting bullets through them, or
cutting your neighbor's tree down, not having a theme party the
theme of which they're not wild about.

>So "silly" and "insignificant" that many companies go out of their way
>to call their parties "holiday" parties and keep the religious crap out
>of it.  Why is common courtesy to repugnant?  Why (I ask again) is it so
>goddamn difficult to change the NAME of the party?

Keep the religious what out?  Oh!  Well, Mikki, it would seem that
you have a lot to learn about common courtesy yourself.

>If 90% of my employees don't want blacks on the staff and would be offended
>if I hired one, should I be *forced* to accomodate the 9% who don't
>give a damn, or the 1% who are going to make a big stink about it?

No, you shouldn't.  You should be allowed to hire who you want.
If 90% of your staff will be offended, then your office is not going
to run very smoothly if you hire one.  Especially if they are offended
enough to leave.  Assuming that talents and skill sets are evenly
distributed among the three groups, you will need to consider the 90%
a bit more than the 1%. (That's *consider*, not grant their every wish!)
[Of course these days you have to consider the government and it's wishes!]

So how many beagles does your company employ?  Do you have a party to
celebrate Lassie's birthday?  Why not?

Snoopy (token beagle)
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