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From: dale@sp7040.UUCP (Dale Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,talk.religion.misc,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Christmas parties
Summary: Mark Ritchie's nose punching...
Keywords: Jesus, history, blindness
Message-ID: <212@sp7040.UUCP>
Date: 6 Jan 88 16:05:13 GMT
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Oh, I can't wait to respond to Mr. Mark Ritchie's allegations and aspirsions.
You wan't to call me names Bubba?  Rather than try to have a intellectual
discussion - fine.  One can just use that in retrospective to the type of
person who originates it.  Dull-minded, trapped animals always start looking 
for spelling errors or picky points when they find nothing else.  If you 
continue, I won't bother to reply to your jibberish.  In the interest of your
well spoken refutation I will now endeavor to "punch you in the nose" the same
way you attempted, in vain, to punch mine.

	>But don't just take my word on it... I was able to hear a lecture
	>by a historian from Oxford (England)  on just this subject, and he 

Who?  Who did you hear?  Who, where and when?  What are his credentials?
Have you a transcript of his speech?  That kind of evidence dosen't even
get past 1st base.  I wont even dignify that claim with a response.  

I would really invite a discussion from you.  Let's get some preliminary
things out of the way and then we can focus in on some real points OK?  Are
you listening?  Are you willing to give it a try?  

Mr. Ritchie, is the Bible fact?  Did God create the Universe in 6 days, or
stop the sun in the sky to aid Joshua?  Did Jesus feed 5,000 people with
a few loaves of bread and a few fish?  Did a man actually talk to a donkey or
live inside a whale?  Facts Mr. Ritchie?  How about Moses - did he part the Red
sea?  And tell me, just how old is the Universe according to the Bible?  More
facts?  Do you believe in Darwin's theories?  Do you believe that God can be
blood-thursty, jealous, or sanction stupidity, slavery, bigamy or murder?
Where was the mighty Jehova when millions of people were being slaughtered
during the 1940s?  Where is the historical evidence of the resurrection of
the alleged Jesus?

When I quote some contradictions to you in the Bible that's all I'm
pointing out - contradictions.  I'm not trying to say "I'm right - you're
wrong."  I'm only showing you points that don't back up each other.  I believe
that the majority of people belonging to a church really have no idea of what
the core of the beliefs are.  Most shut off their brain, open their wallets
and purses, and follow without ever studying their religion in depth.  Let's
begin with the few preliminary questions I posed to you above and then see
where we go.  But if you want to present evidence in the future, lets make
it authoritative.  I've heard many people say many things - and as you so
aply put it "that don't make it so."

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