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From: eli@lf-server-2.BBN.COM (Steve Elias)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: are bigots victims of stupidity??
Message-ID: <499@morningdew.BBN.COM>
Date: 10 Jan 88 23:50:36 GMT
References: <2301@crash.cts.com> <1843@optilink.UUCP>
Reply-To: eli@BBN.COM (Steve Elias)
Organization: BBN Communications Corp., Cambridge, MA
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   clayton, the people you deprecate below are not the only victims.

   take a look in a mirror -- you'll see a victim of yet another disease.
   or are you just guilty of extreme stupidity?

   informed readers want to know -- please do fill us in.


In article <1843@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

!Many AIDS patients (NOT victims) have AIDS because of extremely promiscuous
!completely casual sex, or because of IV drug use.  These, at least, are 
!"guilty" -- at a minimum, of extreme stupidity.

!I'm sick and tired of being told that someone who lies down to get sodomized
!by dozens of guys in a row, without even knowing their names; someone who
!injects heroin with a dirty needle; someone who engages in sex with
!prostitutes is a "victim".  Patient, yes.  Sufferer, yes.  But not a 
!victim.  A victim has no control over what happened to them.  People engaged
!in these activities, regardless of sexual preference, had some control over
!what happened -- they chose not to exercise self-control.

!Would anyone claim that a cigarette smoker with cancer is a victim?  No,
!someone who is suffering the consequences of their actions.

!Clayton E. Cramer