Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!sdcsvax!ucsdhub!hp-sdd!hplabs!hplabsz!taylor From: deh0654@sjfc.UUCP (Dennis Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.society Subject: Re: University Education and Industry Needs Message-ID: <1274@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM> Date: 29 Dec 87 00:00:14 GMT Sender: taylor@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM Organization: Saint John Fisher College, Rochester, NY Lines: 47 Approved: taylor@hplabs Kurt Guntheroth asks: > Why should industry give more money and resign all control? I'm not professionally professorial, but the following events occured here this past summer. The Eastman Kodak company has, in the past, provided a heavy endowment to the University of Rochester (and, for example, the Eastman school of music). Actually, George Eastman did most of it while still living, but the company and its minions (and martinets) take the credit. Eastman Kodak also has a high enrollment in the "Friday Program" MBA track at the School of Management, and there are many other Kodak students, adjunct faculty, etc., especially in the busines school. This last summer, U of R was threatened with withdrawal of Kodak's support for admitting a Japanese student (and employee of rival Fuji corporation) to the MBA program. The University caved in and withdrew the previously-granted admission. Of course, some commentators suggest that the reason this attracted so much attention is that the student was admitted at all. Normally, the student would have been passed over quite silently and no one might have been the wiser. In the local furor, most of the letters to the editor were in favor of bashing the Jap and supporting Rochester's largest employer. The company spokespeople (and the University's too) have all been ingenuous. The notion of funding targeted research is hard to question (but what about it being the tobacco industry trying to get some favorable research studies to cite and some experts that they've bought into their corner -- how do you feel about that?). The notion of academic content and choice of students, also a matter of academic freedom, is a real problem. If an employer has an industrial need, why not arrange to have it carried out at an industrial location. If, for some reason, it is important for collegiate credit or recognition to accompany what is in fact training, not education, the problem is not so easily reducable to an intellectual platitude. I guess life is just too messy, and human foibles to ever-present, to want to see the academia-industry connection blured even further than it already is. [This incident has been reported in the New York Times, and there was a tremendous amount of local coverage, overall a couple of months, but the story did *not* originally break locally.] Dennis E. Hamilton