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From: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: frustration, frustration..
Message-ID: <4794@well.UUCP>
Date: 21 Dec 87 00:46:35 GMT
References: <2166@crash.cts.com>
Reply-To: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab)
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Summary: I know how you feel....

In article <2166@crash.cts.com> steelie@pro-charlotte.cts.com (Jim Howard) writes:
>Is there anyone out there that programs in assembly on the Amiga
>or am I just looking in the wrong places?

	Mark Riley, author of Sonix, Pak, LED, Nemesis, and the Sonix player,
programs *exclusively* in assembler.

	I hate him.							:-)

>And most importantly, could Mark Riley be persuaded to post some of his
>asm code to public? (hint, hint)
> 
	Never in a meeeeeeeellion years.  The guy is a business man.  He
never distributes the source to his work, not even to the people he works
for.

	Actually, I take that back.  He did post an assembly code version of
'Hello, World.' to BIX sometime back.  It assembles to 68 bytes.  He did it
to show all those wimpy C programmers that, no matter how hard you try, you
can always do it better in assembly.  He got flayed alive for it.

	Mark is an incredibly sharp guy.  Assembly programming is as easy to
him as C or Modula programming is to us lesser primates.

	However, I think a major part of his wizard talent is that he's
cooked up his own version of the stdio library for assembly.  The reason C
programming is so 'easy' to us is that a lot of the grunt work has been done
for us.  The startup code, the library interfaces, the I/O libraries, etc.
have all been written by the compiler vendors and provided to us.  Thus,
it's trivial for us to open a file, parse our arguments, call the Amiga OS,
etc.

	For assembly programmers, none of this exists, and so they are faced
with a more gargantuan task than the C people.  Except Mark.  He went to the
trouble to write all this stuff for himself many many moons ago (before many
of us heard of Amiga), and for him, it's just a matter of including a .o
file.

	I hate him.							:-)

	And no, I don't think you could cajole the source out of him.

	If you wish to get in touch with him, he's a regular visitor on BIX
and PeopleLink.

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