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From: eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: ASDG and Commodore Flame throwers.
Message-ID: <3320@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com>
Date: 30 Dec 87 16:15:35 GMT
References: <8712290336.AA28768@jade.berkeley.edu>
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Reply-To: eric@hector (Eric Lavitsky)
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Summary: There really is no head bashing, honest!

In article <8712290336.AA28768@jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET.UUCP writes:
>Well after reading the latest mail from Comp.sys.amiga and seeing
>exactly three messages consisting totally of ASDG and Commodore beating
>each others heads in, I'd like to thank you both for ruining my impressions
>of the people involved.

I hardly think that the messages between George and myself can be construed
as our beating each others heads in. George and I know each other and are
actually quite friendly. I have no animosity towards Commodore and I'm sure
the same can be said of Commodore towards ASDG - George was simply keeping
me in line (hey, I'm human - I get carried away and hype our products a
little too much every now and then :-) - 'nuff said.

>There, the truth is out..... I bought the A2052 memory card at cost.
>I figured that would be the most cost effective way for me to get
>myself 2 megs of future compatible memory.
>I called ASDG, had a chat with a couple of people there, and they recommended
>micron as a manufacturer of card cages.  AT NO time was any mention
>made of this SUBSET or SUPERSET Zorro II crap thats been flying about
>WRT to my Christmas day message asking why my A2052 wouldn't work in the micron
>cage.

We obviously assumed that you would be purchasing a board from Micron
as well. Sounds like a simple misunderstanding here - I don't think we
specifically told you that you would be able to use *other* peoples products
in the Micron chassis. You can still buy a Micron board at cost if you
work for a dealer.

>I called micron, asked them if the cage was FULLY Zorro II compatible,
>and they said YES.

If this is really the case, we will be in contact with Micron to correct
the situation. Their boards are fully Zorro compliant, but the single slot
adapter is not. They should not be telling their customers otherwise.

>I then ordered one,  assuming that by FULLY compatible, it would work
>with something from the company that ORIGINATED the DA*N spec in the first
>place.
>I receive the cage, install it, and the memory and then procede to spend an
>entire long lonely Christmas weekend tearing my HAIR out trying to figure
>out why the cage won't work.
>(INCLUDING  tracing every single trace on the damn card cage motherboard)
>
>I now read commodore and asdg bashing each other and NOT helping me in
>anyway like suggesting,, fix this or that.... instead i'm told to
>buy this or that, and take this or that back.

Sorry Jonathan - I'm afraid we offered whatever suggestions were possible,
would you rather we hadn't? There just wasn't a "fix" that we could offer
other than to recommend returns/changes.

>I'm PISSED OFF...
>
>I bought the A2052 because even though I'd love to, I can't afford ASDG's
>products.... everyone says they are the best, but I CAN'T afford $500 US
>for a BARE BOARD. let alone whatever the price is for 16  1 megbit drams.
>
>Well  ok thanks for nothing much everyone.

That's what we get for trying to help... (sigh)


Eric Lavitsky

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