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From: ronald@csuchico.EDU (Ronald Cole)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: stupidity
Summary: malice aforethought, etc...
Keywords: stupid, flame, pinhead, jive, yow!
Message-ID: <1004@csuchico.EDU>
Date: 16 Jan 88 23:21:22 GMT
References: <8801120313.AA06655@jiff>
Reply-To: ronald@csuchico.UUCP (Ronald Cole, faculty)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <8801120313.AA06655@jiff> shepard@bosco.BERKELEY.EDU (Marc Shepard) writes:
>This is in responce to Clayton Cramer who said that aids patients
>who got the disease through I.V. drug use or too many sex partners
>were not really victims. His argument being that they were
>paying for there stupidity.

You call this a summary?  I'm glad you didn't try to use quotations.  I
believe he said that many AIDS patients got the disease through the use
of dirty needles and/or having promiscuous sex.  These "victims" may
indeed already be paying for their "stupidity" (read as "unwise choices"
or "carelessness").

>Well Clayton (or may I call you knucklehead?) you have an interesting
>point.

And I thought that only pinheads like you had interesting points!!  ;^}

>       One problem with your argument is that most people who
>have the disease now first got it 7 years ago, when nobody knew
>anything about it. For example, if you were to die 10 years down
>the road shortly after they discovered nose picking leads to death,
>it would be unfair of someone to say you were stupid (unless of course
>they had read the artical you posted).

The only problem with your argument is that the time of the act happening
has nothing to do with his argument.  Nose picking is only deadly when you
eat them green nuggets afterwards.  They accumulate in the body for years.
Hope you knew that already and that it isn't too late.  :-)

>The other problem with your argument is that death is obviously too
>extreme of a punishment for stupidity (I would think that you'd be
>thankful about that). 

Why don't you ask the family of a person who was killed by a drunk driver
about that?

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