Path: utzoo!hoptoad!dasys1!kjohanns
From: kjohanns@dasys1.UUCP (Karen Johanns)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Flamage re Mark Ethan Smith/Netiquette
Message-ID: <2623@dasys1.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jan 88 13:34:55 GMT
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In article <2939@killer.UUCP>, era@killer.UUCP (Mark E. Smith) writes:
> 
> To those in soc.motss who are so irate about this material being
> posted to their group, the original "8th Wonder" article was posted
> to soc.motss.  Can you think why an article attacking somebody for
> being "dickless" might be posted to a group that judges people by
> whether or not they have a dick?  Are you sure the person who wanted
> to show you his contempt for women isn't one of yours?  I've noticed
> that overt contempt for women has become less overt among gays since
> AIDS, but I rather doubt that it has disappeared completely.  Certainly
> nobody from your group has protested the "dickless" attack as being
> inappropriate.
> --Mark

There are few things more irritating to me than women being rendered
invisible by another feminist.

Mark, I don't possess, nor have I ever possessed, a dick. However,
I am a subscriber and a regular contributor to the soc.motss
newsgroup. It is NOT an all-male forum; there are Lesbians there
and even a couple of straight women occasionally. As I also recall,
I protested "Woody The Owls'" article quite strenuously whthe moment
it flashed across my screemn. Please don't assume the gender content
of this particular newsgroup, because it is definitely not all male.

As far as the sexism issue that you raised, I don't find the gay
men in soc.motss, or gay men in general, any more or less sexist
and anti-feminist than straight men, and certainly since I've
nbegun reading soc.women the attacks on feminism have been
led quite regularly by men who do not participate in soc.motss.
(I'm not going to speculate on anyones' sexual orientation here).

Soc.motss is for gay men and Lesbians. Lesbians are there, so 
please don't render us invisible so casually!

Karen
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