Path: utzoo!hoptoad!amdcad!decwrl!labrea!husc6!necntc!frog!sc From: sc@frog.UUCP (STartripper) Newsgroups: alt.flame Subject: Mark Robinson Smith and other Pseudos Message-ID: <2009@frog.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 88 03:56:00 GMT References: <229*manis@instr.camosun.bcc.cdn> <6466@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> <8801071134.AA05730@garnet.berkeley.edu> <3O31@killer.UUCP> <1432@quad1.quad.com> <22609@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: sc@frog.UUCP (STartripper) Organization: The Church of the Holy Starship Lines: 86 In article <22609@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> robinson@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Michael Robinson) writes: >In article <1432@quad1.quad.com> (Oleg Kiselev) sticks his foot in his mouth: >>In article <3O31@killer.UUCP> era@killer.UUCP (Mark Ethan Smith) writes: > ^ > +---(The telltale 'O') > >>>You were pretty indignant when I accused you of being the pseudo who told >>>the pseudo about my being a pseudo. You were only using your pseudo to >>>repeat what the pseudo told you about me. >> >>I finally figured out what it was about MES that *really* bothers me: ...that this guy using a name _he_ chose flames about other people using names _they_ choose. And Michael Ethan Robinson dives in to defend Mark against the hideous accusation of being inconsistant. Well, worse accusations could be made, and probably will be. But Michael, why blow smoke? Even though Oleg fell for a posting you claim is forged (whether by the original MES or one of the little MESses is totally unimportant to my point), he's right. The reason those postings from killer were believed by some netters is simple -- they're recognizable parodies of what Mark Ethan Smith actually writes. The only reason you have for believing that _this_ posting is by the person on the header is that it rather sounds like me -- or else it doesn't. Being "victimized" (always the victim, eh?) by faked postings wouldn't bother me -- in fact I encourage Mark to do it -- since it would require the poster to write as well as possible, to attempt to be fair, to be witty, willing to admit it when mistaken, and only incidentally to say "fuck" now and then and end too many sentences with ..... I'm not worried -- and if I post this at all (you're seeing it, aren't you?) neither are john or wjr (who're in charge of yelling at me if I screw up on the net). >Some random juvenile delinquent writes a forgery that confirms what you >"*really*" want to believe about Mark, and all of a sudden you understand what >it is about him that bugs you. Some random net-commentator parodies (in the tradition of Vaughn Meader, Richard M. Dixon, etc.) Mark, and casts some light on one of the things that Mark has done to degrade the quality of discussion on the net, and all of a sudden you yell "Hoo HAH! Oleg fell for it! What a jerk!" Michael, I won't accuse you of being the forger, because I don't give a flying fuck who it is. (I think, in fact, that there are two or more pseudomarks, since the forged MES-style varies rather a bunch. The one Oleg flamed is the best of the lot, I think) I would suggest, however, that instead of forging MES-sages, whoever it is (or, perhaps, they are) demonstrate their _real_ skills by forging postings from me, or from some other poster who actually attempts to _use_ the net for communication among equals. I'm ready to be impressed, but not really expecting it. If you send me back to my cc.file looking for a posting I don't remember writing, I will be delighted, and I will tell the net. If the folks responsible for the site have to look at my files to see if I did it, I'll be almost as pleased. But I'm not holding my breath! After all, if someone _does_ forge quality, won't that improve the flavor of the net? Worth it, even if I do have to make a form-letter saying "that was some other STella Calvert/STartripper posting".... >Too bad you don't pay more careful attention. You might of saved yourself the >trouble of responding to a forgery and showing your closemindedness to the >world. It doesn't matter whether it was a forgery or not! All the smoke you blow won't conceal the point Oleg (bless his irascible little heart) made -- Mark expects the right to flame danglers, but to be free of flames about cunts; Mark expects the right to blast people for using "pseudos", but probably was not born to a Mr. and/or Mrs. Smith, who named their daughter Mark Ethan; and Mark shrilly insists (unsuccessfully, thank ghod!) on being treated with more respect than he's willing to give to others who DARE to disagree with him. Sheesh! Can't we improve the quality of the flames in this group? Even if it means putting Mark-wars on hold for a while? Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. STartripper QQQCLC sc@frog.uucp Suite 293, 738 Main Street, Waltham, MA, 02154 (if you have another address, it's still good, but I'm willing to post my maildrop on the net.... Please don't send bombs to the nice people who run the mailbox service....)