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From: era@killer.UUCP (Mark E. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,soc.women,misc.legal
Subject: Yet Another Forgery!
Message-ID: <3089@killer.UUCP>
Date: 22 Jan 88 11:48:53 GMT
References: <229*manis@instr.camosun.bcc.cdn> <6466@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> <2939@killer.UUCP> <2623@dasys1.UUCP>
Reply-To: era@killer.UUCP (Mark Ethan Smith)
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In article <2623@dasys1.UUCP>, kjohanns@dasys1.UUCP (Karen Johanns) writes:
>In article <2939@killer.UUCP>, era@killer.UUCP (Mark E. Smith) writes:
					 	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^    NO!!!!!!!!
>> 
>> To those in soc.motss who are so irate about this material being
>> posted to their group, the original "8th Wonder" article was posted
>> to soc.motss.  Can you think why an article attacking somebody for
>> being "dickless" might be posted to a group that judges people by
>> whether or not they have a dick?  Are you sure the person who wanted
>> to show you his contempt for women isn't one of yours?  I've noticed
>> that overt contempt for women has become less overt among gays since
>> AIDS, but I rather doubt that it has disappeared completely.  Certainly
>> nobody from your group has protested the "dickless" attack as being
>> inappropriate.
>
>There are few things more irritating to me than women being rendered
>invisible by another feminist.
>
>Mark, I don't possess, nor have I ever possessed, a dick. However,
>I am a subscriber and a regular contributor to the soc.motss
>newsgroup. It is NOT an all-male forum; there are Lesbians there
>and even a couple of straight women occasionally. As I also recall,

Karen, the article you are responding to is a forgery!  The opinions are
not mine, the style is not mine, and the conclusion is not mine.  I have
many close ties to the lesbian and gay community in the Bay Area and would
never make statements like these.  When those statements were made, the
farthest thing from my mind was to attribute them to a member of the lesbian
and gay community.  I hope you can appreciate my horror at seeing these
statements appear with my name associated with them.  Since I have withdrawn
from the public net for the most part, I was unware of this latest forgery
until today.  The netnews administrators have ignored this forgery problem
in their typical nonchalant fashion.  They are uninterested in determining
the cause of the problem or preventing it from reoccuring.  They are also
peculiarly hostile to any effort to find the culprit.

>As far as the sexism issue that you raised, I don't find the gay
>men in soc.motss, or gay men in general, any more or less sexist
>and anti-feminist than straight men, and certainly since I've
>nbegun reading soc.women the attacks on feminism have been
>led quite regularly by men who do not participate in soc.motss.
>(I'm not going to speculate on anyones' sexual orientation here).

Yes, it is very refreshing to compare the attacks of the straight men in
soc.women with the positive remarks of others like Mike Robinson and
others who have worthwhile things to say.  The agenda of the straight
man in soc.women is oppressing women, continuing male-dominated political
charades to keep us where we are, and impishly asking "What's wrong" as if
everyhting was fine and dandy.  The remarks of the pseudo here that derides
gays shows his own homophobic and femophobic tendencies draw from the same
place.  Typical of the fascist strategy to set oppressed groups against each
other.

--Mark