Xref: utzoo comp.ai:1266 sci.lang:1782 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!aurora!labrea!russell!zwicky From: zwicky@russell.STANFORD.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) Newsgroups: comp.ai,sci.lang Subject: Re: words order in English and Japanese Summary: Don't underestimate variability Message-ID: <2019@russell.STANFORD.EDU> Date: 28 Jan 88 17:36:25 GMT References: <1671@russell.STANFORD.EDU> <236@pyuxf.UUCP> <3580@bcsaic.UUCP> <243@pyuxf.UUCP> Reply-To: zwicky@russell.UUCP (Arnold Zwicky) Organization: Center for the Study of Language and Information, Stanford U. Lines: 43 There is no reason to think that everything in language is there "for a purpose" any more than there is to think that everything in nature is. There *is* an enormous amount of randomness in the world, both natural and cultural. In the linguistic case, there is a huge amount of variability in expression, both across languages and within languages. Within a language, there is a purpose for much of this variability (though surely not all of it); different word orders, constructions, intonations, pronunciations, etc. are associated with different discourse functions and serve as sociolinguistic markers. But these functions are largely arbitrarily associated with linguistic form - the same form can serve different functions in different languages, and different forms can serve the same function in different languages. (This is not to deny that certain forms are particularly good for certain functions, like rising intonation for asking questions. It *is* to deny that this form is locked onto that function; if the form is already taken for some purpose, then any other form available in the language can be pressed into service.) None of this posits any universal scheme of association between language (in particular, syntax) and other aspects of culture. The bits of a language have to fit together, elegantly or clunkily, as the particular case might be, into a complex system with many purposes, but to ask WHY these particular bits are assembled in particular languages is to invite the answers: Just because. Whatever is, is right. What I have just said will probably seem pretty unsatisfying to some readers. Lots of people would like to believe that there have to be deep reasons for why things are the way they are, that historical accident is never a satisfactory account of the panoply of nature and culture. If those are your beliefs, then I'm not likely to change your mind. But I'd like to try to change your mind, at least if you're going to be thinking seriously about language. Looking for the big WHY answers is a bad research strategy here; it leads you to overlook much of the essential complexity of the phenomena. The question of WHAT there is in language is a tougone, and insofar as we know the answers they seem to require an intricate system oconpts and hypotheses, most of them with no detectable connection to matters of culture or geography or ethnicity. If you attend only to phenomena that you can plausibly interpret by reference to culture etc., then you're going to miss most of the relevant data.