Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!hplabs!hplabsz!taylor From: eugene@ames-pioneer.ARPA (Eugene Miya N.) Newsgroups: comp.society Subject: Re: The Aesthetics of Computers Message-ID: <1445@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM> Date: 20 Jan 88 00:25:26 GMT Sender: taylor@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM Lines: 49 Approved: taylor@hplabs Computer graphics: because it is so visual, and so accessible to the non-computist has been thinking about aesthetics for some time (albeit at a low level). A major discussion took place at the 1985 ACM/SIGGRAPH meeting in San Francisco when a panel convened. The major conclusion was "it's cute but has terrible content." Arguments take place distinguishing a technical Aesthetic: (1985 SIGGRAPH Demo reel: Quest: A Long Ray's Journey into Light) versus a real plots (1987 SIGGRAPH: Oilspot and Lipstick). P.S. I'm not really a fan of Luxo, Jr., or Young Sherlock Holmes. There are (generally) two graphics camps: the real timers (interaction) and the realists (imitators). There are others, but the real-timers are closer to abstract aesthetics. Ray tracing is popular with the imitators (who are in some ways closer to Alan Turing). Anyway, one reference (for light reading, I read it while riding ski lifts) is: Essays from the SIGGRAPH '86 Art Show Catalog, "Computer Graphics", ACM, Vol 21, Number 1, January 1987. With subpapers like: TV Need MTV Like MTV Needs Computers by John Whitney Why It Isn't Art Yet by Ken Knowlton And so forth. The basic problem is not recognizing what's bad. I use an analogy of the development of photography from 1840 and what it did to artists (put them out of work), to f/64 and Adams/Weston, etc. Will the aesthetics of computers become something like modern art? A lot of people are incapable to distinguishing the quality of graphics images: "Yes computer graphics: all those lines [hidden lines visible, calligraphic systems]" or raster without good ray tracing. The people who do graphics constitute a critical audience and have an idea of problems and can say something is good. Anyway, I have to show you tapes and images (ASCII won't cut it). WE MUST DEVELOP A DISCRIMINATING VIEWING AUDIENCE. Anyway, if you want to learn more, we're meeting (Bay Area ACM/SIGGRAPH Technical Interest Group on Aesthetics: Thurs. Feb. 4 7 PM in Berkeley. Send me mail for details. It's a potluck dinner meeting: bring one food dish and a piece of graphics work and a statement of position in writing. Also the March Bay Area ACM/SIGGRAPH and National NCGA meetings will have an Aesthetics panels. THINK CRITICALLY. Eugene Miya