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From: wilkes@mips.UUCP (John Wilkes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: The REAL problem is the nature of personal computers.
Message-ID: <1291@electron.UUCP>
Date: 12 Jan 88 01:08:20 GMT
References: <7967@g.ms.uky.edu> <1363@sugar.UUCP> <8692@ccicpg.UUCP> <8021@g.ms.uky.edu> <8870@ccicpg.UUCP>
Reply-To: wilkes@mips.com (John Wilkes)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Lines: 39
Keywords: apologies in advance, unix disk usage, 3b1, holy war

In article <8870@ccicpg.UUCP> harald@ccicpg.UUCP ( Harald Milne) writes:
<In article <8021@g.ms.uky.edu>, sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
<> In article <557@gethen.UUCP> farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) writes:
<> >The UNIX kernel on the machine I'm at right now (an AT&T 3b1) amounts
<> >to exactly 168,707 bytes.  This is bloated?
<
<	I was not refering to the size of the kernel, but the amount of disk
<space used. If you are talking about a reasonable implementation of UNIX, I
<would say 50meg barely scratches the surface.

On my AT&T 3b1 there is a 67MB hard drive that is 52% full.  Before I
started putting stuff gleaned from comp.sources.{misc,unix} on it, it was
more like 25% full.  I would say that your estimate of 50meg of disk use
for unix is slightly high.  What do you mean by "a reasonable
implementation of unix"?  I'm running SysV.2 with some .3 and Berkeley
enhancements.  It runs gnu emacs, uucp, news, and rn; what more do you want
from unix? ;-)  It even has a completely brain damaged windowing system. :-o

While I'll readily admit that unix at home is not for everybody, it is
available at a reasonable price.  My 3b1 cost less than my Amiga, though
the 3b1 was purchased as part of a severe price cut that went into affect
when AT&T decided to discontinue it and rid themselves of inventory.  If
the A2000 had unix on it, I would have bought it instead of the 3b1, even
if it meant spending a little more money.

Not trying to fan the flames of a religious war here, just trying to
prevent the proliferation of misconceptions.  This group has had a
continuing series of battles with the Atari ST folks, and I hope a new holy
war between Amiga owners and 3b1 owners does not start up.  I probably
shouldn't even post this, but here goes...  

Apologies in advance.  My asbestos suit is on.

John Wilkes
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