Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:13323 comp.sys.misc:996 comp.sys.ibm.pc:10765 comp.sys.mac:11199 comp.sys.atari.st:7028 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!bellcore!faline!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!husc6!cmcl2!nrl-cmf!ames!aurora!labrea!decwrl!pyramid!voder!kontron!optilink!cramer From: cramer@optilink.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Software (and other kinds of) copying Message-ID: <1874@optilink.UUCP> Date: 23 Jan 88 21:19:31 GMT References: <8055@g.ms.uky.edu> <174@piring.cwi.nl> <1861@optilink.UUCP> <6657@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 42 Posted: Sat Jan 23 16:19:31 1988 > In article <1861@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > That laws making it illegal to give your friends copies are > unenforceable. Note that I'm using "software" in the generic sense of > "intellectual property you put on a medium that makes your hardware > usefull" - computer programs, movies, music, and probably other things > that I've missed. "Uneforceable" without a police state, yes. How enforceable a law is, is a function of what abuses people are willing to tolerate. No one would accept no-knock warrants and warrantless searches to stop software piracy. (Though most people would tolerate it stop drug dealers or terrorists.) The enforceability of a law says nothing about the morality of the action that law prohibits. (Of course, talking about right and wrong with the well educated crowd on USENET is a complete waste of time). > > When producers of the software start seeing adding something that > makes the product inferior as a *good* thing, it's time for a reality > check. Maybe not a good thing -- maybe something they need to put in, since by your claim, stopping software piracy through law is impractical. I would prefer copy protection go away. But if the only alternative to use of the legal system is copy protection, I think we are going to see it around on high-end packages for a long time. (It of course being impossible to get software users to stop stealing the stuff). > For computer programs, we have software protection in various flavors. > For movies, we have macrovision. And they're talking about raping > compact disks by putting a 3KHz (I think I've got the number right) > tone on them to disable DATs. What's wrong with this picture? > >