Xref: utzoo sci.bio:791 soc.men:2415 soc.women:8853 sci.misc:718 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!bellcore!decvax!ucbvax!pasteur!ames!aurora!labrea!rocky!andy From: andy@rocky.STANFORD.EDU (Andy Freeman) Newsgroups: sci.bio,soc.men,soc.women,sci.misc Subject: Is duck rape "natural"? (was Re: Rape a reproductive advantage?) Message-ID: <969@rocky.STANFORD.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 88 03:42:14 GMT References: <517@gtx.com> <248@nancy.UUCP> <6852@ihlpa.ATT.COM> Reply-To: andy@rocky.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman) Distribution: na Organization: Stanford University Computer Science Department Lines: 22 In article <6852@ihlpa.ATT.COM> you write: > Second, I'm sorry to be a poor sport, but I am kind of skeptical >of coercive duck mating behavior. Where was this documented? >How hard did the female fight? If it were a violent fight resulting >in broken feathers, it would hardly be an evolutionary advantage. In the cases I'm familar with (friend observed the behavior), there is no apparent evolutionary advantage, nonetheless, the male ducks gang-rape a female duck until she escapes or they get bored, long after she dies. I think the flock size is stable. I'm sorry, I don't have a published reference or a learned explanation. (It happens in Northfield, Minnesota.) Why don't people believe that animals and humans have behaviors that aren't advantageous? -andy -- Andy Freeman UUCP: {arpa gateways, decwrl, sun, hplabs, rutgers}!sushi.stanford.edu!andy ARPA: andy@sushi.stanford.edu (415) 329-1718/723-3088 home/cubicle