Xref: utzoo sci.bio:780 soc.men:2357 soc.women:8767 sci.misc:705 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!super.upenn.edu!eecae!nancy!msudoc!straney From: straney@msudoc.ee.mich-state.edu (Ronald W. DeBry) Newsgroups: sci.bio,soc.men,soc.women,sci.misc Subject: Re: Rape a reproductive advantage? Message-ID: <248@nancy.UUCP> Date: 13 Jan 88 02:33:17 GMT References: <517@gtx.com> Sender: usenet@nancy.UUCP Reply-To: straney@msudoc.UUCP (Ronald W. DeBry) Distribution: na Organization: Michigan State Univ., Engineering, E. Lansing Lines: 43 >I expect there's an evolutionary advantage. Rapists probably reproduce >better than non-rapists. > >Keith Doyle This posting certainly generated a lot of activity on a relatively quiet newsgroup, didn't it? (meaning sci.bio) Most of it about the definition and frequency of rape in non-human animals. I would like to comment about the first question - why doesn't this trait increase in frequency. Natural selection on a single trait isn't magic, it's just a mathematical consequence of differential reproduction. BUT, before we can talk about natural selection being responsible for maintaining or affecting the frequency of a trait in a population, several criteria must be met: 1. There must be variation in the population 2. The trait must cause a variation in reproductive success, either positive or negative 3. The trait must be heritable The first is usually obvious, it's the second that everyone gets excited about. Regardless of the trait, people like to start making arguments about how it either increases or decreases fitness. Often there are equal numbers of arguments for both conditions for a single trait :-). Actually measuring fitness is a REAL problem. See both John Endler's recent book and a rather sobering essay by Lewontin in the (I think) 1985 edition of "Oxford Surveys in Evolutionary Biology." The last criterion is the easiest to forget in all the hupla over fitness values, and this is the one that human rape clearly fails. Rape is a social, not a genetic problem; so the question of reproductive success is moot. Ron DeBry Dept. of Zoology MSU