Xref: utzoo sci.bio:831 sci.misc:754 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ptsfa!ames!sdcsvax!sdcc6!calmasd!jnp From: jnp@calmasd.GE.COM (John Pantone) Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.misc Subject: Re: Unusual characteristics of Humans Message-ID: <2633@calmasd.GE.COM> Date: 22 Jan 88 19:18:26 GMT References: <517@gtx.com> <5129@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> <2201@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <23465@cca.CCA.COM> Distribution: na Organization: G.E.- Calma R&D, San Diego, CA Lines: 86 Peter da Silva writes: >There just aren't that many qualitative differences between humans and other >species... most of the differences are in degree rather than kind. Richard Harter responds: > This isn't true. It is true that humans are mammals and retain many of the > body plan features of mammals. However humans are quite unusual. They have > unique characteristics and others that are very rare. Many differences are > so marked that they constitute a difference of kind rather than merely > degree. Here is a partial list. Actually, I think they are both "right". The chemistry, anatomy and even behavior of humans is much more LIKE other mammals than UNLIKE, but there are several notable differences > (1) Upright posture. There are, and have been many bipeds. However > all other bipeds keep the spine at right angles to the body and balance > the body over the legs. Humans rotate the spine so that it is vertical > over the legs. I have usually heard this as rotating the pelvis not the spine - but it is really the same thing - our cranium is unusual also, in that the spinal attachment is more "antero-ventral" than in our close relatives the apes - putting the head "on-top" of the spine rather than "in front" of it. The fact remains, though, that from the navel down we are rather a great deal different than the apes, from the navel up (even head/brain included) we are quite a bit alike. It has been said, in defense of the concept of Neoteny as a major force in the evolution of humans, that an adult human is very close in form to a foetal chimp. > (4) Big brains. Humans have much bigger brains (particularly > cerebral cortex) for their body weight than any other animal. I have always questioned this - chimps gorillas and orangs, as well as most of the cetaceans (sp?) all have complex cerebral cortexes (corti?). Although the baleen whales can't compare in brain/body-weight to humans - their brains are hugely larger than ours - and their body form is so radically different from ours that a body weight comparison seems awfully weak. I think our brains are actually less "different" than we think. (Except perhaps in function - but not in form). > (5) Complex non-instinctual social behaviour. Again the difference > is so large as to be a difference in kind rather one of quantity. I disagree - many animals have complex social behavior - monkees, canines, etc. I think that our actual behaviour is really a difference in quantity not kind. > (6) A true opposable thumb. I think that this is unique to humans > among vertebrates. The Panda does have an opposable "thumb" which is > actually an enlarged wrist bone. What makes it "true"? Chimps (especially the pygmy chimp) have a very well opposable thumb. Much, Much better than the Panda's (great, not red). Koala "bears" have 2 opposable thumbs (at least on their forelegs/arms). Check out your "opposable" thumb - it really doesn't truely oppose any finger, except perhaps the little finger - it is "off center" of all the others. > (7) An advanced tool user. Other animals do use tools upon occasion. > However they lack the structural modifications needed for tool using. > Again, a difference in kind. This one puzzles me - what structural modifications? (opposable thumb? - see above). > > (8) Cursorial hunter adaptations. Not unique, but rare. Cursorial > hunters kill game by chasing it until it gives up. Not unique - true, also not rare. Virtually all canines use this means of hunting - in fact it has been suggested that the fundamental reason for the human/canine association is the sharing of this (and pack) behavior. Wolves, wild dogs, cyotes - all Cursorial hunters, none - even today - rare. All in all - I am still more likely to say that we are far more like other animals than we are different. -- These opinions are solely mine and in no way reflect those of my employer. John M. Pantone @ GE/Calma R&D, 9805 Scranton Rd., San Diego, CA 92121 ...{ucbvax|decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!jnp jnp@calmasd.GE.COM GEnie: J.PANTONE