Path: utzoo!hoptoad!ihnp4!gargoyle!ddsw1!karl
From: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Yet Another Forgery!
Summary: It was different here -- I'm not sure I believe you.
Keywords: uh-huh
Message-ID: <535@ddsw1.UUCP>
Date: 2 Feb 88 18:03:00 GMT
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Reply-To: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Karl's hole-in-the-wall on Usenet
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In article <3175@killer.UUCP> era@killer.UUCP (Mark Ethan Smith) writes:
>In article <1457@crlt.UUCP> russ@crlt.UUCP (Russ Cage) writes:
>>2.)	Mark not making any attacks on the gay users of M-Net (I
>>would not term entering an item in the Gay conference,
>>titled "Why queers are superior to women", to be adhering
>>to a philsophy of live and let live; it is a deliberate
>>attempt to be offensive ahd harassing),
>
>Entering an offensive topic like that certainly would be an attack or
>an attempt to harass if it was done without provocation.  As Russ
>knows full well, I had a conference on m-net once, called Human
>Viability.  But I was unable to facilitate discussions on the subject
>because of vicious personal attacks from srr and other young men who
>claimed to be gay.  They filled my conference with obscene personal
>attacks one me, based on their belief that inclusive pronouns shouuld
>not be used inclusively, as I prefer, but should be reserved for the
>exclusive use of persons with penises.  After seveal months of
>disruptions and attacks from young gay males insisting that they were
>entitled to certain preferences because they were male and I wasn't,
>I decided to see how they'd like it if I invaded their conference with
>my response, instead of letting them continue to disrupt mine.  In
>that topic, I listed all the reasons srr and the other young gay males
>had given for their belief that persons with pensises are superior to
>women and entitled to preferential treatment and undiminished terms.

[Remainder deleted; you really didn't want to read it twice]
FWOOOSH.....

Well, Mark....  Hi there... remember me?

Remember a conference called 'Womanspace' on 'ddsw1'?  Where no one has ever
been censored, their items (or mail) interfered with, or posting status
obstructed.  Where people could (and *did*) discuss their points of view on
woman's rights, etc...?  

Remember how you, as fairwitness, declared that I, personally, was 'censoring'
you on our machine by forcing you off, killing your id, denying you posting 
access to the net, etc.?  Remember how I proved that this was not the case, 
on several occasions (once by posting from your id to the bbs, after 'su-ing'
to it, which was what you had claimed I had prevented you from doing!)

And do you remember storming off the machine, *DELETING THE CONTENTS OF THE
WOMANSPACE CONFERENCE IN THE PROCESS*.  Yes, Mark, you had the permissions
to do this; you were the fairwitness.  Nonetheless, that act was deliberate,
malicious, and without provocation.

Anyone care to wonder why I don't easily believe your assertions above?

[This is assuming you really exist, which lately seems to be in more and
more doubt..... I did talk to *someone* who professed to be M.E.S. on the
phone once though... hmmmm...]

>If they think they're entitled to *more* respect than they show me, because
>they're male and I'm not, I respectfully disagree.
>

If you think you're entitled to *more* respect than you show me (and my
other users), because you're MES and a woman and I'm not, I respectfully
disagree.

Mark, when you stop being combative and assuming that the entire world is
out to get you, test your assumptions before making inflamatory statements
(or worse), etc. you might find that the world is much nicer to you (note:
the world hasn't changed, you have).  Until then, you'll find exactly what 
you look for; after all if it isn't real you can just make it up... :-)

TTTThhhhwip!

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These views are mine but may be shared by others at their own risk.  MCS
doesn't necessarially share nor condone them (ask michael@ddsw1, he's more
levelheaded right now). :-)