Path: utzoo!hoptoad!ihnp4!gargoyle!ddsw1!karl
From: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What People Try To Justify
Summary: Ok, you asked for it!  Get out that asbestos suit!
Message-ID: <693@ddsw1.UUCP>
Date: 6 Feb 88 21:31:48 GMT
References: <1899@optilink.UUCP> <518@ddsw1.UUCP> <382@igloo.UUCP> <539@ddsw1.UUCP> <181@soleil.UUCP>
Reply-To: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger)
Organization: Karl's Usenet hole in the wall (This is *ME*, not the company)
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In article <181@soleil.UUCP> grina@soleil.UUCP (Pete Grina) writes:
>In article <539@ddsw1.UUCP>, karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger) writes:
>> 
>> Show me evidence that the
>> *use of the drug itself* is dangerous.
>
>Karl, I hope you're joking.  If you're not Joe King, then you're a twit.
>C'mon man, even Nancy is against drugs :-)

Nancy is against a lot of things.... and she is PRECISELY the problem.
People who approach problems like this with dogma will never accomplish
anything.  People who think, and act in a way that produces the *most* good
(note: you can never change something and have the outcome be "all good" --
someone always gets the short end) are helpful.  Nancy does not do this, and
neither does her Husband when it comes to drug issues.  This is one of my
biggest complaints with government in America today.

>What would you do if your son and daughter started taking those *harmless*
>drugs like heroin?  "Gee dear, I sure hope that's a clean needle.  BTW, has
>anyone seen the TV or the VCR?"  I bet you'd love it, as long as the needles 
>were clean, hmmmm?  Bozo.

FWOOOSH!

Ok, buster, you asked for it.  My *sister* is a 10-year HEROIN ADDICT.  No
shit, hose-head.  She does the stuff nearly every day.  And while the heroin
has NOT killed her, the AIDS virus MIGHT.  Is this *justice*?  Does she
*deserve* to die because her will is insufficient to overcome the
addiction? (note: it takes WILL to get to the treatment clinic, and to stay
off once you're treated -- which she does not have)  Should becoming
addicted to IV drugs be a death sentence?

If she could walk into the neighborhood pharmacy and BUY THE NEEDLES (which
incidentally cost pennies, not the hundreds she spends on the drugs!) the
risk of contracting something which could easily kill her would be greatly
reduced.  If she could BUY THE HEROIN THERE TOO, the risk of her death from
unclean needles would be ZERO, as would the risk from incorrectly cut drugs
(ie: bad cut, or too-strong potency).

Personally I think what she does is sick.  However, since she *is* of age,
and has made this decision herself, and does *not* have the mind to change
her habit, it's something I have to deal with.  IT IS HER CHOICE, NOT MINE
(I made my choice differently that she did).

THE RISK OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE, INCLUDING AIDS, IS NOT INEXORABLY LINKED
WITH THE USE OF INTERVENOUS DRUGS.  If society will not legalize the drugs,
as I believe they should then at *least* give those who can not or will not 
stop using these substances a chance to avoid death.

I won't even go into the facts of the matter w/regards to heroin.  Just
remember that for hundreds of years it was "normal" to be stoned on opiates;
in fact, *many* OTC medications contained them and they could be purchased
on request.  Our current laws are a result of a reactionary attempt to
discriminate against some ethnic groups many years ago.  THESE LAWS CAUSE
PEOPLE TO DIE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE PRODUCTIVE IN SOCIETY.

See the point yet?  

Thhhhwp!

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